Paton for Geary

[CQ SAINT]

I don’t care about where they come from, where they were drafted, why they aren’t playing as well as they can

I only give a stuff about current performance

His last game was poor, his disposal was putrid and it stuck out like dogs balls

So what's your point? Do you think he will be dropped? Do you think Geary or Clark or Connolly should replace him?

If you look at the last 35 games he has played, since replacing Geary as the number 1 lockdown small defender, alongside Sinclair Wilkie and Howard, you'll realise he has been a consistent contributor to us winning 21/35 by beating his opponent and providing rebound run as part of one of the most effective backlines, during that time. Its just that simple.
We missed him massively last year and if his putrid 15d @ 80% efficiency, 9 marks and 4 fwd entries, where he spent 35% of the game forward of the middle because our best player is missing and 4 kids with less than 10 games were playing, is his worst, then you'd be forgiven for thinking we lost the game.
The facts are that we didn't and he will be one of the first magnets on the board against Brisbane.

[Beno88]

Not sure what game you were watching but I thought Paton was good against the Roos. 9 marks, 15 touches @ 80 percent dis eff is pretty solid. With 46 games under his belt, Paton is the future and will keep improving. As good as he has been throughout his career, Geary is only getting a game if injuries strike.

You left out the 4 inside 50s that were sprayed every which way

Not sure how the 80% DE was arrived at

Two of his four inside 50s resulted in St Kilda scores.

[Beno88]

His last game was poor, his disposal was putrid and it stuck out like dogs balls

Interesting. Paton went at 80% on Sunday.

That's better than three players you gave votes to...

5-Sinclair - 78%
4-Hill - 72%
2-Ross - 78%

[Ghost Like]

His last game was poor, his disposal was putrid and it stuck out like dogs balls

You must have a chihuahua B.M..

[Ghost Like]

Paton did miss some hit ups he should have made but so did many other players when you look objectively at our forward ball movement from the back half, through the centre into F50.

To try to hang Paton on his disposal conveniently ignores that he's yet again beaten his direct opponent as well as his hard running back to contest against a team mate's opponent who has slipped the chain.

Geary deserves a farewell game (Brisbane is not it). Paton does not deserve to be dropped.

[Yorkeys]

Unrealistic proposition.
Paton is one of the many reasons the side has improved.
Don't dismiss that he missed all of last year with a leg break and now he gets the dirty jobs in the forward line.
His offensive work is just getting better.
No one can be perfect in the last line defensive role due to chaos balls, smart opposition play and the frenetic nature of the scrums but Paton is very good in tight, takes a good mark and is quick.
Looking at some of his kicking into the forwards this year from the stands his skills/vision are very good. Courageous player.
If the instruction is to take the game on, you win some you lose some but if you don't take it on you lose a lot.
Are we getting bored winning the majority of games and want to revert? Sometimes its good to just take yes for an answer. Yes to Paton and Windhager, no to Geary and Butler because as good as the latter two are we have better to chose from now.

[The Recruit]

Geary for Paton! Seriously ridiculous

[SaintWiki]

I agree with the title ''Paton for Geary'' at the current time as I read it, I would have Ben Paton over Jarryn Geary too, however, I certainly won't put our past captain down and although a lot of his kicks were wayward, he was a very good on field leader and ''gave all'' in his games, which I appreciated.

[samoht]

I'm sure Geary would do as well as Paton right now - but I think most of us would agree the we need to stick with the younger guy and the future.
There's no good reason to meddle with this - nothing to be gained.

[saintsRrising]

Paton need a spell in the VFL. Needs time to work on cleaning up his disposal. Making too many errors. Against North he dropped marks he should have taken and missed targets by foot.

Time to bring Geary back as the lockdown defender. Tough, experienced, leader.

Paton will be around for a long time no doubt, but we are chasing top 4 and a premiership and need to think about the here and now. He will have a spell and come back stronger through the adversity.

Right now, Geary is a better option.

Ironic post.

Dropping Paton for poor disposal for a player who is worse in that regard.

[bangaulegend]

IMO every saint supporter appreciates the contribution that Jarryn Geary has made to the St.Kilda Football Club .He has been a great captain & as courageous as any player I have ever seen pull on a Saints jumper but it's time to move on .His best contribution now is to be a mentor to guide our young bloke coming through the ranks . Obviously if we are struck down with injury or illness he would be a valuable commodity but I doubt it come to that as I said IMO

[mad saint guy]

Geary is cooked. Very unlucky that we were shite throughout his prime when he was a very good lockdown defender. He should get a farewell game at some point leading up to the finals if he stays fit.

Paton hasn't been his usual self with ball in hand but his defensive work is still excellent. On form I'd have him in front of Webster. With that said, before this season he barely did anything wrong and he's made quite a few mistakes this year. Hopefully he's just taking some time to readjust which is understandable considering one of the things he stands on snapped last year.

[spert]

I don't think anyone at Sandy is knocking the door down to break into our defence, which is one of the best in the comp right now.

[B.M]

Jason Blake had 90% disposal efficiency

Was he a good kick?!

Defenders always have high disposal efficiency- obviously

They are kicking under the least pressure to free players

[CQ SAINT]

Jason Blake had 90% disposal efficiency

Was he a good kick?!

Defenders always have high disposal efficiency- obviously

They are kicking under the least pressure to free players

Blake was a part time midfielder for 9 years and average 12 disposals and handballed more than he kicked. The backlines he played in for most of his career where certainly under less pressure than the teams Paton has played 46 games in.

[Yorkeys]

Jason Blake had 90% disposal efficiency

Was he a good kick?!

Defenders always have high disposal efficiency- obviously

They are kicking under the least pressure to free players

That sound was the synchronised raising of eyebrows from our defenders. While not losing focus. It's a jungle down back.

[samuraisaint]

No. if Ben goes out Tom Highmore must come in.
Gears is our Phil Stevens now - all about mentoring the younger players, rookies and players returning from layoffs in the magoos. And doing a good job of it too, by the looks of things.
Should get a final game as a testimonial at the end of the Home and Away season though - perhaps our final home game for the year.

[B.M]

Blake - a part time mid for 9 years????

He played Wing a bit in his first year, played as a tagger in 2001 for a few games, generally played back after that

Play as a ruckman off and on for a season or so, due to injuries and crap ruckmen.

I would say 150 of his 200 games were as a defender… at least

[CQ SAINT]

Blake - a part time mid for 9 years????

He played Wing a bit in his first year, played as a tagger in 2001 for a few games, generally played back after that

Play as a ruckman off and on for a season or so, due to injuries and crap ruckmen.

I would say 150 of his 200 games were as a defender… at least

He must have been rucking alot in the backline BM. From 2003 to 2009 there were 13 games he didn't get hit outs in.
In 2011 and 2012 there were nine. He also kicked 29 of his 38 career goals in these years.

[CQ SAINT]

We all know he wasn't a ruckman though dont we. He was what I'd call a part time midfielder.

[B.M]

Your memory is interesting

Majority of his career as a back pocket

[CQ SAINT]

Your memory is interesting

Majority of his career as a back pocket

Obviously. One that got hit outs in the majority of the games he played. Grant Thomas played him as a tall midfielder/ruck for most of the games he played for him.
Don't worry about my memory, there is hours and hours of footage and of course the stats I mentioned. He wasn't a good ruckman but he was a handy 190cm mid and very athletic.
We all know how Grant thought rucks weren't necessary.

I'm not saying he didn't play back pocket but he recorded hitouts in 122 of his games B.M.
Strange behaviour for a 190cm back pocket who isn't a part time mid/ruck.

[B.M]

He averaged 3.9 hit outs per game in his career

He backed up Trent Knobel in 2004 (from the bench) averaging 8HOs
In 2005 he also backed up in the ruck, this time Cain Ackland averaging 10ho
In 2006 he averaged 9 as a back up ruck

He did that in about 50 games

The rest of his career (Ross Lyon era) was an average of about 2 hit outs per game - a number of those would be 3rd man up.

From 207-2012 he played 130 out of his 200 odd games, and as I said it was mainly in defence, if not entirely

If he played the first half of his career as a tall mid…. He wasn’t much chop
He averaged 12ppg

[CQ SAINT]

He averaged 3.9 hit outs per game in his career

He backed up Trent Knobel in 2004 (from the bench) averaging 8HOs
In 2005 he also backed up in the ruck, this time Cain Ackland averaging 10ho
In 2006 he averaged 9 as a back up ruck

He did that in about 50 games

The rest of his career (Ross Lyon era) was an average of about 2 hit outs per game - a number of those would be 3rd man up.

From 207-2012 he played 130 out of his 200 odd games, and as I said it was mainly in defence, if not entirely

If he played the first half of his career as a tall mid…. He wasn’t much chop
He averaged 12ppg

"From 207-2012 he played 130 out of his 200 odd games, and as I said it was mainly in defence, if not entirely."

Thanks for that, strangely, he recorded hot outs in 61 of those 130 games. Again, a strange stats anomaly from a player who 'was mainly in defence, if not entirely'.

[CQ SAINT]

He averaged 3.9 hit outs per game in his career

He backed up Trent Knobel in 2004 (from the bench) averaging 8HOs
In 2005 he also backed up in the ruck, this time Cain Ackland averaging 10ho
In 2006 he averaged 9 as a back up ruck

He did that in about 50 games

The rest of his career (Ross Lyon era) was an average of about 2 hit outs per game - a number of those would be 3rd man up.

From 207-2012 he played 130 out of his 200 odd games, and as I said it was mainly in defence, if not entirely

If he played the first half of his career as a tall mid…. He wasn’t much chop
He averaged 12ppg

"From 207-2012 he played 130 out of his 200 odd games, and as I said it was mainly in defence, if not entirely."

Thanks for that, strangely, he recorded hit outs in 61 of those 130 games. Again, a strange stats anomaly from a player who 'was mainly in defence, if not entirely'.