Very nervous about WC

[Teflon]

Oh, I forgot Ball - he was an AA too

AA under Lyon?
Or flogged to death via OP under Thomas?
What point r u making ?
You’re all over the shop…

[Teflon]

Please do tell

Who were the ‘bottom 6’ in 09

Lol I don’t answer questions from those who can’t answer them themselves
You’re the teacher do some homework ffs if you don’t know
I’ll give you a head start…
RE…now go!

[B.M]

Ball did Alright in 2010?

Maybe it was Misson that couldn’t get him right?

[B.M]

RE

Wtf is that?!

Robert Eddy???

Maybe you should do some homework?! Before you make smart arse comments - get your facts right!!!!

Robert Eddy did not play in the 2009 Grand Final!

[Teflon]

Ball did Alright in 2010?

Maybe it was Misson that couldn’t get him right?

Come back when you’ve done your homework on that bottom 6 in 09 list …it’s fun reading..

[B.M]

I do know it wasn’t RE

He wasn’t there.

I’ll give you my bottom 6 - for the fun of it

Andrew McQualter - 20 goals in 2009, elite forward pressure, ended up with nearly 100 games of AFL - first round DP btw
Zac Dawson - player of the finals 2010, played 166 AFL games and 4 grand finals
Sean Dempster - went on to play 222 games and was a dual AA
Raphael Clarke - played 85 games - highly talented high FP
Luke Ball - leading possession winner on the ground at HT
Went on to play over 200 games and win a premiership
Steven King - He was another AA btw and 240 AFL games

Not too many duds there?

[SydneySainter]

Ball was past his AA form. He was not elite.

Milne was not in AA or in elite form at that stage.

Gilbert always started the season well, then faded just before finals, hence why he kept missing out on AA selection.

Kosi was already well past his best due to injury.

In no way, shape or form was Gram even A grade. His last decent year was 2008.

McEvoy was a development prospect at that stage.

Ray, Blake and Gwilt were serviceable players, but GOPs.

Our bottom 6 of the grand final era was one of the worst in the league -

Jones (his one good season was 09. After that, was beaten frequently beaten by his opponent), Mini, Raph, Peake, Eddy and Dawson. That’s a bottom 6 that would have barely got a game in any other lineup.

[Teflon]

Ball was past his AA form. He was not elite.

Milne was not in AA or in elite form at that stage.

Gilbert always started the season well, then faded just before finals, hence why he kept missing out on AA selection.

Kosi was already well past his best due to injury.

In no way, shape or form was Gram even A grade. His last decent year was 2008.

McEvoy was a development prospect at that stage.

Ray, Blake and Gwilt were serviceable players, but GOPs.

Our bottom 6 of the grand final era was one of the worst in the league -

Jones (his one good season was 09. After that, was beaten frequently beaten by his opponent), Mini, Raph, Peake, Eddy and Dawson. That’s a bottom 6 that would have barely got a game in any other lineup.

Thank you SS you are spot on.
And for BM to suggest Eddy wasn’t there (he played 13 games in 09) tells us all how much “BM” knows ….sweet FA !!
Absolutely numpty

[Scollop]

Ball was past his AA form. He was not elite.

Milne was not in AA or in elite form at that stage.

Gilbert always started the season well, then faded just before finals, hence why he kept missing out on AA selection.

Kosi was already well past his best due to injury.

In no way, shape or form was Gram even A grade. His last decent year was 2008.

McEvoy was a development prospect at that stage.

Ray, Blake and Gwilt were serviceable players, but GOPs.

Our bottom 6 of the grand final era was one of the worst in the league -

Jones (his one good season was 09. After that, was beaten frequently beaten by his opponent), Mini, Raph, Peake, Eddy and Dawson. That’s a bottom 6 that would have barely got a game in any other lineup.

Hogwash. Your memory must be fading. Why not try Google for ratings on some of the players you’ve slagged

Without Milne we don’t make top 4 in 2010. He single handedly got us over the line in many games while Roo was recovering from ripping his hamstring off the bone and he was a huge contributor all year.

I could go on, but not worth getting into this crap debate

[SydneySainter]

Ball was past his AA form. He was not elite.

Milne was not in AA or in elite form at that stage.

Gilbert always started the season well, then faded just before finals, hence why he kept missing out on AA selection.

Kosi was already well past his best due to injury.

In no way, shape or form was Gram even A grade. His last decent year was 2008.

McEvoy was a development prospect at that stage.

Ray, Blake and Gwilt were serviceable players, but GOPs.

Our bottom 6 of the grand final era was one of the worst in the league -

Jones (his one good season was 09. After that, was beaten frequently beaten by his opponent), Mini, Raph, Peake, Eddy and Dawson. That’s a bottom 6 that would have barely got a game in any other lineup.

Hogwash. Your memory must be fading. Why not try Google for ratings on some of the players you’ve slagged

Without Milne we don’t make top 4 in 2010. He single handedly got us over the line in many games while Roo was recovering from ripping his hamstring off the bone and he was a huge contributor all year.

I could go on, but not worth getting into this crap debate

Milne was A grade, no doubt. Hence why I mentioned him as a follower to the top 6 (not sure if you saw my previous post), but I wouldn’t have called him elite. Sorry.

[King Max]

The Eagles have lost their last 11 by 40+ points. Why are they suddenly going to turn it around this week?

[WellardSaint]

Please do tell

Who were the ‘bottom 6’ in 09

Lol I don’t answer questions from those who can’t answer them themselves
You’re the teacher do some homework ffs if you don’t know
I’ll give you a head start…
RE…now go!

Can u two get a room already


This is a footy forum, not Tinder

[WellardSaint]

The Eagles have lost their last 11 by 40+ points. Why are they suddenly going to turn it around this week?

ONE REASON
Who's the visiting team again?

[King Max]

The Eagles have lost their last 11 by 40+ points. Why are they suddenly going to turn it around this week?

ONE REASON
Who's the visiting team again?

That’s a question, not a reason.

[shanegrambeau]

Ball was past his AA form. He was not elite.

Milne was not in AA or in elite form at that stage.

Gilbert always started the season well, then faded just before finals, hence why he kept missing out on AA selection.

Kosi was already well past his best due to injury.

In no way, shape or form was Gram even A grade. His last decent year was 2008.

McEvoy was a development prospect at that stage.

Ray, Blake and Gwilt were serviceable players, but GOPs.

Our bottom 6 of the grand final era was one of the worst in the league -

Jones (his one good season was 09. After that, was beaten frequently beaten by his opponent), Mini, Raph, Peake, Eddy and Dawson. That’s a bottom 6 that would have barely got a game in any other lineup.

Hogwash. Your memory must be fading. Why not try Google for ratings on some of the players you’ve slagged

Without Milne we don’t make top 4 in 2010. He single handedly got us over the line in many games while Roo was recovering from ripping his hamstring off the bone and he was a huge contributor all year.

I could go on, but not worth getting into this crap debate

Milne was A grade, no doubt. Hence why I mentioned him as a follower to the top 6 (not sure if you saw my previous post), but I wouldn’t have called him elite. Sorry.

This is a fun read.

But I must say, Stephen Milne was very much an ‘A’ Grader in ‘09, and even in ‘10. Didn’t see a lot of footy but you didn’t need to to recognize that.

Back in Oz, I watched a game - a heartbreaking, soul destroying loss to Richmond at Marvel - latish 2012 season I think. Then Milney was slow and porky in comparison to his former greatness. At the very end he slimmed down again. But I think it is fair to say, in ‘09 he was still a champ (and still had the fluffed-finals- kicking boots on)

My other note is Ralph Clarke, although I thought he was an also ran back then, I didn’t watch much footy. Now I see he was an elite talent. He had real touch. He was no grunt.

[B.M]

You thought Rob Eddy played in the GF - and he didn’t - haha

Most of those players had good-great careers in good sides

Kosi - I think kicked 48 goals in 09 and finished 11th in the Brownlow

Milne was a star he kicked 46 goals

Gilbert finished 3rd in the B&F in 2009

Blake was a 200 gamer - average players don’t play 200 games

Clint Jones was outstanding in 2009 and had an excellent career - good player

Ball - if only he wasn’t on the bench?

McQualter - 22 goals and 114 tackles in 2009, critical to the Game Plan

Do you want me to go on?

Don’t rewrite history to support a rubbish argument- use facts!

Speaking of high DPs to build a side
Ralph Clarke, Farren Ray and McQualter - the ‘worse players’ in that team were all first round selections!

Also
RE did not play in the 09 GF - did you know that?

[CQ SAINT]

Ball was past his AA form. He was not elite.

Milne was not in AA or in elite form at that stage.

Gilbert always started the season well, then faded just before finals, hence why he kept missing out on AA selection.

Kosi was already well past his best due to injury.

In no way, shape or form was Gram even A grade. His last decent year was 2008.

McEvoy was a development prospect at that stage.

Ray, Blake and Gwilt were serviceable players, but GOPs.

Our bottom 6 of the grand final era was one of the worst in the league -

Jones (his one good season was 09. After that, was beaten frequently beaten by his opponent), Mini, Raph, Peake, Eddy and Dawson. That’s a bottom 6 that would have barely got a game in any other lineup.

Hogwash. Your memory must be fading. Why not try Google for ratings on some of the players you’ve slagged

Without Milne we don’t make top 4 in 2010. He single handedly got us over the line in many games while Roo was recovering from ripping his hamstring off the bone and he was a huge contributor all year.

I could go on, but not worth getting into this crap debate

Milne was A grade, no doubt. Hence why I mentioned him as a follower to the top 6 (not sure if you saw my previous post), but I wouldn’t have called him elite. Sorry.

Name 5 elite small forward in the history of the game and try to leave Milne out. Ridiculous. Seriously.

08 - 60 goals
09 - 46 goals
10 - 57 goals
11 - 56 goals
12 - 56 goals

208 games - 574 goals.

Measure anyone else against that and tell me he isn't the measure of elite.

[magnifisaint]

All Australians
Reiwoldt, Dal Santo, Hayes, Goddard, Fisher, Montagna, Gardiner, Milne

If that’s not elite WTF is?!

Throw in
Jones, Gram, Ray, Kosi, Gilbert, Schneider, Blake, Baker

That is an ELITE list

Freo
Pavlich, Fyfe - all time greats
Sandilands, Mundy, McPharlin, Johnson, Ballantine, Walters, Hill, Barlow, Crowley

Seriously A Grade list!

And Ross did pretty well with both

But didn’t get it done

A bit of luck needed to win Grand Finals. He didn't have it.

[bigcarl]

The Eagles have lost their last 11 by 40+ points. Why are they suddenly going to turn it around this week?

ONE REASON
Who's the visiting team again?

Yep, I’m worried about it, too. We need to get on top early and basically pummel them.

[BadRossco]

Two reasons the Eagles may turn it around this week are 1 shame of their last performance 2 playing the softest target in the competition at the moment

[Life Long Saint]

We should not be worried about the Eagles. They are the worst team in the AFL era at the moment.
What we should be worried about is going into the game with the same or similar flawed line up as we have had and winning comfortably. We'd be papering over the cracks and will be humiliated the next week against Melbourne and be right back where we are now.
The chasm between the top four and the rest is growing. Not sure if we have the capability to close it, but I do know that if we keep going the way we are, we will never do it.
Marshall can't possibly compete against Gawn and Grundy on his own. Owens, or any other small won't cut it as a pinch hitter.

[SAINT-LEE]

It’ll be hilarious

Who will Teflon blame?

The players?? It was the coach 12 months ago… maybe finally he’s got it?!

We are a middling list
Ross has had elite lists and couldn’t win a flag - he sure as s*** isn’t doing much with this list!

Let it go....you win. Youre sooo subtle and clever. Every fecking 2nd post is you trying to bitch about other peoples opinions on the importance of a coach.

We get it. You KNOW coaches are meaningless...

You are literally becoming a boring pest.

[B.M]

Milne is arguably the greatest ever small forward

Perhaps behind Eddie Betts

How can that not be elite?

Best player in his position in the league at the time!

[samuraisaint]

Don't be. They can't beat us. They are not match fit or conditioned to run games out.

[samuraisaint]

We should not be worried about the Eagles. They are the worst team in the AFL era at the moment.
What we should be worried about is going into the game with the same or similar flawed line up as we have had and winning comfortably. We'd be papering over the cracks and will be humiliated the next week against Melbourne and be right back where we are now.
The chasm between the top four and the rest is growing. Not sure if we have the capability to close it, but I do know that if we keep going the way we are, we will never do it.
Marshall can't possibly compete against Gawn and Grundy on his own. Owens, or any other small won't cut it as a pinch hitter.

Correct re: Eagles - they are not fit enough to play games out.

So, if I were a selector:

Need a second ruckman - Campbell has been playing well in the reserves - tick
Need to stop opposition defenders racking up dozens of possessions and setting up scoring opportunities - Cordy - tick
Missing Membrey taking a defender and marking at CHB - Sharman to start.
The captain obviously playing injured/other midfielders out of form - Bytel playing well in the reserves - tick
Wood is injured, rest him - Billings has done his time in the reserves - tick.

There is no better time to get them back in the seniors and give them a run than this week on the big ground.