Dougle on the market article

[Saintmike65]

I’m far from a Dougal fan but happy for him to stay but on lesser money…he’s not suited to play on the gorilla forwards

[B.M]

At 199 who should he play on?

He should be a stopper - who hopefully doesn’t get it much

[Vortex]

I’m far from a Dougal fan but happy for him to stay but on lesser money…he’s not suited to play on the gorilla forwards

he ain't going anywhere, Lyon already refers to him as Zac as in Zac Dawson, loves a peel-off defender who has elite dispatching skills.

and plus as far as the fans and their 3 second memories are concerned, Cordy is only a game away from returning to their hate list.

[Saint 58]

We need a strong FB
Howard can play as an attacking CHB

[saynta]

Cal Twomey is just doing the job he is paid handsomely to do.

Which is to talk crap. And, if there is no crap to talk, just make things up.

He provides no evidence of what he is spurting, just talking crap.

Maybe the journo slimeball has been reading this forum.

[The G Train Legacy]

Depends what pick we can get for him, if its a third rounder then we are better of keeping him for depth.

Not if he plays. Put a quick skillful player on him and he's cactus. Thilthorpe looked like a superstar when he played on him in Cairns. He made Dougal look stupid.

Look mate, I totally agree but I think a 2nd rounder is probably more beneficial to us

Maybe a straight swap for Tarryn Thomas from the Kangas, if they lose McKay they'll be looking for a KPD, I know his got baggage but the boy can play

I like that deal.

[The G Train Legacy]

Fantasy...Straight swap:
Dougal & Gresh for........

Big Ben Mackay...

No way, Dougal is better than McKay. McKay takes a lot of intercept marks, but aside from that, doesn't defend very well.

[CQ SAINT]

Perhaps these “journalists” get their stories from sites such at this - so rubbish in and rubbish out

Port Adelaide were most unhappy to lose Howard, who they rated (he captained the Club after all and at a very young age)

I do not know the specifics of why Howard sought to leave Port Adelaide - all I do know from a former Norwood player then an executive at Alberton was that it was a personal issue which those at Port Adelaide could not resolve (to their disappointment)

Howard is a 199cm defender

The general comment across the AFL is that there is a dearth of such defenders - hence the market for the North Melbourne player

So given that is the market, if we move Howard on who do we replace him with?

Yes, we have Cordy on a Contract WB would not give but Cordy gives defensive KPP depth which is why we recruited him (to replace the short term emergency Frawley)

Maybe Lyon has seen enough of Adams and Van Es to conclude that they will be AFL ready by Round 1, 2024, both still needing to add some weight in my opinion before coming to grips with the key forwards of the competition

But back to the key question, if Howard is moved on as many on here suggest, how do we replace Howard at 199cm and 95kgs?

And particularly given such players are at a premium across the competition?

I also note that until injury Howard held preference over Cordy

Van Es is reportedly 198cm now and came at 101kgs. He leaps, takes marks and punches and is very quick over 20m. I guess we will take our chances when his ankle heals.

Caminiti would also physically replace Howard with a bit of defensive training.

Howard was lacking in one on one strength as a key but had other attributes to counter with.

[SinCitySainter]

Cordy has looked good in the last two games when our midfield has rodgered the opposition mercilessly. He hasn't had to play with a midfield getting flogged which Howard did all year and apart from against Adelaide has not been beaten.
I would want a top 10 pick for Howard, good key defenders are rare commodities which is why they are talking $800K a year for Ben McKay.

[Trev from the Bush]

Cal Twomey is just doing the job he is paid handsomely to do.

Which is to talk crap. And, if there is no crap to talk, just make things up.

He provides no evidence of what he is spurting, just talking crap.

If a reporter asked the Saints about Dougal being on the table, and they say 'no' or they say they're looking at the list in detail but haven't decided on any moves yet-
Twomey will say 'of course they'll deny it'

The issue is Twomey will say anything that might get the fish to bite.

[Teflon]

We need a strong FB
Howard can play as an attacking CHB

That’s how I see it too
People saying “he should be a stopper” don’t get it
He’s not the gorilla home defender aka Browne of a few years ago
He’s a rangy, attacking CHB probably better playing off his Nan than wrestling and running and jumping at the ball to mark or spoil
We’ve had no option at times but to play him as a stay home gorilla and he’s been burnt a few times for strength, positioning and he pannicks and does dumb shyte on the last line
Trade if deal is great if not …keep …

[B.M]

The position of CHB hasn’t existed for a decade

We’ve moved slightly passed the Chas Brownlow positions from the early 1900s

Dougal is well behind Battle and Wilkie in 2nd or 3rd tall defender positions
He is a key defender - and at 199cm definitely should be

If you want him to be an attacking tall defender - Ala Sicily
Ask yourself- do you want him making decisions coming out of defence with the ball - do you want him kicking it?!

To me he is a poor man’s Harris Andrew’s or Darcy Moore

[SaintPav]

I don’t think he’s going to get much better either.

Happy to trade him depending on what they can get.

[perfectionist]

Didn't he come on a long term contract?

Unlike most, he hasn't improved with age - only got worse.

[Saint 58]

The position of CHB hasn’t existed for a decade

We’ve moved slightly passed the Chas Brownlow positions from the early 1900s

Dougal is well behind Battle and Wilkie in 2nd or 3rd tall defender positions
He is a key defender - and at 199cm definitely should be

If you want him to be an attacking tall defender - Ala Sicily
Ask yourself- do you want him making decisions coming out of defence with the ball - do you want him kicking it?!

To me he is a poor man’s Harris Andrew’s or Darcy Moore

You're right about "CHB" so how about a third defender/intercept defender.
Watch his first batch of games where he played up the ground more & even kicked a goal or two.

[magnifisaint]

Cordy looks more assured in the backline than Howard. He defends better.

[B.M]

We already have Wilkie and Battle as Second/Third defenders

Howard is nowhere near as a good as either and probably not as good as Highmore in that role.

Dougal’s main attribute is his height and reach

[Vortex]

We already have Wilkie and Battle as Second/Third defenders

Howard is nowhere near as a good as either and probably not as good as Highmore in that role.

Dougal’s main attribute is his height and reach

And kicking, he’s elite in that area and that’s one of his roles to be one of the dispatchers especially taking the riskier kick.

[skeptic]

Can’t say that I’ve ever noticed that Howard is especially good by foot.

When he takes the kick ins, seems like all he ever does is bomb it long to a contest. Players like Sinclair, NWM etc can do that but also have the nerve to go short or run it out on occasion.

Personally am not a fan of Howard kicking out

[Vortex]

Can’t say that I’ve ever noticed that Howard is especially good by foot.

When he takes the kick ins, seems like all he ever does is bomb it long to a contest. Players like Sinclair, NWM etc can do that but also have the nerve to go short or run it out on occasion.

Personally am not a fan of Howard kicking out

Champion data measures him as being elite, I think above 90%

[Otiman]

When he takes the kick ins, seems like all he ever does is bomb it long to a contest.

By Champion Data's definition, a long kick to a 50/50 contest is considered an effective disposal.

https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/

[Scollop]

Can’t say that I’ve ever noticed that Howard is especially good by foot.

When he takes the kick ins, seems like all he ever does is bomb it long to a contest. Players like Sinclair, NWM etc can do that but also have the nerve to go short or run it out on occasion.

Personally am not a fan of Howard kicking out

The figure from Vortex doesn't surprise me (although I haven't checked to confirm).

He's a very good field kick. That's different to kicking in...

Kicking in after an oppo behind involves elite decision making. That's not a strong point for Doug's, but he has his strengths

He's got good closing speed and he gets a fist in to spoil where others can't reach. He's quicker and taller than Cordy. He's the perfect match for a couple of the tallest KPF's like Joe Daniher

As I said, he's also good by foot when he has a team mate leading straight towards him. See target -hit target

[Yorkeys]

Can’t say that I’ve ever noticed that Howard is especially good by foot.

When he takes the kick ins, seems like all he ever does is bomb it long to a contest. Players like Sinclair, NWM etc can do that but also have the nerve to go short or run it out on occasion.

Personally am not a fan of Howard kicking out

The figure from Vortex doesn't surprise me (although I haven't checked to confirm).

He's a very good field kick. That's different to kicking in...

Kicking in after an oppo behind involves elite decision making. That's not a strong point for Doug's, but he has his strengths

He's got good closing speed and he gets a fist in to spoil where others can't reach. He's quicker and taller than Cordy. He's the perfect match for a couple of the tallest KPF's like Joe Daniher

As I said, he's also good by foot when he has a team mate leading straight towards him. See target -hit target

Daniher is far too strong for Dougal.

[WellardSaint]

The position of CHB hasn’t existed for a decade

We’ve moved slightly passed the Chas Brownlow positions from the early 1900s

Dougal is well behind Battle and Wilkie in 2nd or 3rd tall defender positions
He is a key defender - and at 199cm definitely should be

If you want him to be an attacking tall defender - Ala Sicily
Ask yourself- do you want him making decisions coming out of defence with the ball - do you want him kicking it?!

To me he is a poor man’s Harris Andrew’s or Darcy Moore

Since he's been with us, he was seen (externally anyway) as the general of the backline.
He did most of the kick-ins after a point.

That changed this yr.
It's now Sincs, Nas, etc.
If Boris took that task off him, well, I trust Boris' judgement and infer that Dougie wasn't the best option.
Boris would've discussed it with Lenny the mids coach, cos they needed to work out set plays n tactics for kick-ins

[Annoyedsaint]

If he comes in next week I’ll spew up.

An absolute dud. Plain & simple.
Does not provide anything of value.

No good on power forwards, no good on agile forwards, doesn’t provide any rebound or run & carry to hurt opposition the other way.

If slightly out of position is then rendered completely useless.

Anyone can crab sideways and get their 80% kicking efficiency