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Re: Bedford misses

Post: # 2029637Post Yorkeys »

Don't understand the system. What are the grounds for appeal, automatically granted, did Fisher run into an unsuspecting Bedford, how does the MRO and tribunal seemingly get so many decisions wrong? Is the go just keep appealing until an exhausted bureaucracy gives in. When is the point of unreasonable dissent. AFL has become a circus.
Contrast the constipated after the game challenge system with the terrible real time unappealable umpiring errors. Nuts.
Anyway, who cares if Bedford plays or not. Hardly a world beater and even if it was T. Greene, here they are nearly two weeks on fluffing around some arcane semantic exercise. FGS, get clinically professional.


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Re: Bedford misses

Post: # 2029642Post SaintWiki »

If we play at our best we have an excellent chance of winning no matter what their line-up is, as long as AFL tribunal system is timely and accountable. The issue of keeping our coaching staff in the dark is nothing short of contempt.


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Re: Bedford misses

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Yorkeys wrote: Wed 06 Sep 2023 12:40am
SaintPav wrote: Tue 05 Sep 2023 5:32pm On what basis are they allowed to appeal?

Zac Fisher who should never had been allowed to provide “evidence” was hardly convincing.
Confirms Fisher was concussed?
From the tribunal findings:

“The Head Impact Assessment undertaken by Fisher provides some support for the conclusion that a concussion injury may have occurred as a result of this bump.

It’s not possible to form an opinion about the forcefulness of the impact between Bedford and Fisher from the video.

On the key issue of whether Bedford caused forceful contact to be made with any part of his body to Fisher’s head or neck, we are satisfied that such contact was made.”

I believe they will attempt to argue about the “forcefulness” of the impact as the tribunal was unable to come to a conclusion on this matter. Kingsley on 360 hinted that they would.

I probably wouldn’t be happy if one of our players was rubbed out for something like that but them’s the breaks.


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Re: Bedford misses

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Yorkeys wrote: Wed 06 Sep 2023 8:46am Don't understand the system. What are the grounds for appeal, automatically granted, did Fisher run into an unsuspecting Bedford, how does the MRO and tribunal seemingly get so many decisions wrong? Is the go just keep appealing until an exhausted bureaucracy gives in. When is the point of unreasonable dissent. AFL has become a circus.
Contrast the constipated after the game challenge system with the terrible real time unappealable umpiring errors. Nuts.
Anyway, who cares if Bedford plays or not. Hardly a world beater and even if it was T. Greene, here they are nearly two weeks on fluffing around some arcane semantic exercise. FGS, get clinically professional.
I thought they were trying to protect the head at all costs?

Is that suddenly out the window now because of finals.

I hate how they AFL change policy mid season. They are all over the shop.

https://apple.news/AZYtbWnl8TD69JYB9wEi44g


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Re: Bedford misses

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Not sure why so many people appear to be convinced that the Giants won't have Bedford's suspension overturned.


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Re: Bedford misses

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SaintWiki wrote: Wed 06 Sep 2023 2:37pm Not sure why so many people appear to be convinced that the Giants won't have Bedford's suspension overturned.
The court of public opinion has him playing against us. The second tribunal appeal usually follows that.


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Re: Bedford misses

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He’ll probably get off because of all the media and public pressure but if there’s no new evidence that Fisher wasn’t hit in the head, then the original finding and suspension should stand.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Appeals Board comes to a different conclusion on the "forcefulness" of the contact on Fisher. I don't think that would be a great look for the process, but at the end of the day, they can do whatever they want. They would lose any credibility they had if they did that.


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Re: Bedford misses

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Whatever the result of the appeal it is an absolute disgrace that he and his club have to wait until today (11 days after the incident) to get a result

There is no doubt if this was a known (Victorian) player it would not have gone on like this

There are times when the AFL system is ordinary (at best)


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Re: Bedford misses

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StPeter wrote: Mon 04 Sep 2023 9:35pm AFL 360 doing and saying everything they can tonight to get them to appeal and get him off.

Of course Gerard Whateley never shows much love for St Kilda.
AFL 360 again lobbying to get him off last night. They won't let it go!


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The ban has been overturned.

Bedford is free to play.


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Re: Bedford misses

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SaintPav wrote: Thu 07 Sep 2023 5:28pm The ban has been overturned.

Bedford is free to play.
Well, who would have guessed.
Statute of limitations exceeded?


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Re: Bedford misses

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The right call but took a circus to get there.

MRO Tribunal and appeals are a basket case. Laura Kane needs to sort it out before next season. More of an issue than ARC.


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Re: Bedford misses

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I’m not sure if it was the right call.

Bedford’s action was careless and they are trying to protect the head or so we have been told.

They are just being very inconsistent about it.

Christian should have the balls to let some of these incidents go and stop wasting everyone’s time.


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Re: Bedford misses

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Bedford is no Baker. We know that now.

Does this alter selection, is Paton a chance?


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Re: Bedford misses

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Fisher wasn't concussed. He played on.

The MRO and the tribunal are incompetent. The commentators and the media are driving the agenda on every incident.

They should just appoint Gerard Whately as the MRO and be done with it.

The head is sacrosanct but every now and then they totally balls things up. Either missing the obvious severe injuries or picking up on minor bumps like this one from Bedford

E.g listen to the commentator talking through his arse when Ryder stood his ground and Will Day got whiplash from it. Watch it closely.Ryder didn't make contact with Day's head.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/740075/ryd ... 9574540001

Someone like Ryder got suspended when he made zero contact while Hunter Clark gets his head caved in, jaw smashed to pieces - fair play!!

They just have no common sense. Clark was severely concussed and his face is bloodied ...but

The AFL and the the overwhelming majority of the media (Gerard fvcking Whately in particular) called it a footy action. Far#ing clowns


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Re: Bedford misses

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The head is not truly sacrosanct and most players who are in line for Mark of the Year or the atrempted ones, are testament to those.

I feel for Clark and his injuries but I am yet to be convinced it was anything other than a football action that caused them. Someone who protected themselves better when entering a contested ball situation.

Let's add that the stricter concussion protocols / penalties were not in place when Clark got hammered.


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Re: Bedford misses

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SaintPav wrote: Thu 07 Sep 2023 7:08pm Hmm.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1025251
What a waste of time and money.
Charade.
Every one knows during finals interstate clubs do not get players suspended.
May do something that gets criminal charges laid but no AFL sanction.


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Should have used we are playing StKilda card earlier.


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Re: Bedford misses

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Surprise Surprise

Let's just forget all about Fisher undergoing a concussion test

I mean why would you undergo a concussion test if you weren't hit in the head?

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Re: Bedford misses

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Yeah, but it’s a final. He can’t miss for that say the AFL hoards.

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Re: Bedford misses

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perfectionist wrote: Mon 04 Sep 2023 8:34pm Bedfords often missed. Their brakes weren't too good either.
But their suspension was good


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Re: Bedford misses

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Ghost Like wrote: Thu 07 Sep 2023 6:19pmDoes this alter selection, is Paton a chance?
Not even a ghost of a chance!


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