Question on the number of rounds

[perfectionist]

The "original" Covid plan was to play 17 rounds and then go to finals. This meant every team played every other team. I note that now, perhaps because of the cancelled Melbourne-Essendon game, every team will have a bye (presumably ours will be after Round 12). So my question is, will there now be 18 (or more) rounds?

[kosifantutti]

18 rounds. Every team has a bye.

[johnearljames]

If you play 17 games do you need 10 wins minimum to make finals?

If so, we are only 4 wins off.

That is the billion dollar question. Surely some AFL nerd has worked out the minimum amount of wins required to make the 8.

[Saintmatt]

Every team will play each other once. The AFL has said at the outset of the footy frenzy period that Melb / Ess will be played. The bye is not so much about a rest for the clubs / players - but more about giving the AFL some wriggle room to move clubs around into different hubs etc

Ratts himself said a couple of weeks back that the internal expectation is that a club will need 9 wins AND a % of >100 in order to make finals.

Depending on the next block of games and which teams outside the 8 wins - that may end up being 10 games but, I think 9 and a solid % will get you in.

[johnearljames]

Every team will play each other once. The AFL has said at the outset of the footy frenzy period that Melb / Ess will be played. The bye is not so much about a rest for the clubs / players - but more about giving the AFL some wriggle room to move clubs around into different hubs etc

Ratts himself said a couple of weeks back that the internal expectation is that a club will need 9 wins AND a % of >100 in order to make finals.

Depending on the next block of games and which teams outside the 8 wins - that may end up being 10 games but, I think 9 and a solid % will get you in.

That is exciting as we could win the next 3 games. Even we get 2 out of 3 I would be happy.

[Jacks Back]

Of the current top 8 sides we are yet to play WC, Geelong, Brisbane and GWS and also Essendon who are 9th on 5 wins and a game in hand (we have 6 wins).
That's a fair few sides we have to play well against and either win or not get thrashed and lose too much percentage.

[CQ SAINT]

Of the current top 8 sides we are yet to play WC, Geelong, Brisbane and GWS and also Essendon who are 9th on 5 wins and a game in hand (we have 6 wins).
That's a fair few sides we have to play well against and either win or not get thrashed and lose too much percentage.

WC is the only worry there imo. We will smash Essendon and should have great games with the rest. I reckon we are about to peak skills wise.

[saintsRrising]

If you play 17 games do you need 10 wins minimum to make finals?

The minimum is not yet known as it will depend on the how the season goes and who wins what.

But 10 wins would be extremely likely to have a team playing finals.

9 wins may, but may also miss out.

The Pies draw may play a part too as they good end up on 9 wins and a draw. Though their next three are against Swans, Crows and Dees!

[saintsRrising]

Of the current top 8 sides we are yet to play WC, Geelong, Brisbane and GWS and also Essendon who are 9th on 5 wins and a game in hand (we have 6 wins).
That's a fair few sides we have to play well against and either win or not get thrashed and lose too much percentage.

Yes our easiest likely games are Suns, Dees and Hawks.
So if we drop one of those we will need 2 of

WC, Geelong, Brisbane and GWS and also Essendon.

Though Essendon are not in good form.

Fortunately we get to play the Lions after have already played a solid amount of games in Qld including at least 3 at the GABBA. So their home ground/state advantage should be minimal.

Or as long as we defeat all of Suns, Dees and Hawks and the Dons.

WC will be the hardest as 1/ they are in good form and 2/ Nic Nat will possibly beat us in the ruck and we area much better team when we do not lose the ruck. Hopefully we get to play WCE at the Gabba and not Optus Oval.

[Jacks Back]

If you play 17 games do you need 10 wins minimum to make finals?

The minimum is not yet known as it will depend on the how the season goes and who wins what.

But 10 wins would be extremely likely to have a team playing finals.

9 wins may, but may also miss out.

The Pies draw may play a part too as they good end up on 9 wins and a draw. Though their next three are against Swans, Crows and Dees!

Last year 9 wins would just get you in after 17 games played

https://footyforecaster.com/AFL/Ladder/2019_Round_18

[saintsRrising]

If you play 17 games do you need 10 wins minimum to make finals?

The minimum is not yet known as it will depend on the how the season goes and who wins what.

But 10 wins would be extremely likely to have a team playing finals.

9 wins may, but may also miss out.

The Pies draw may play a part too as they good end up on 9 wins and a draw. Though their next three are against Swans, Crows and Dees!

Last year 9 wins would just get you in after 17 games played

https://footyforecaster.com/AFL/Ladder/2019_Round_18

And in 2017 after 17 rounds St Kilda was ninth on nine wins. So 9 may get you in, or it may not. 10 and your are almost certain to.

AFL Ladder: After 2017 Round 17
Position Team M W D L For Agst %age Points
1 Adelaide 16 12 0 4 1817 1294 140.42% 48
2 Geelong 16 11 1 4 1627 1378 118.07% 46
3 GW Sydney 16 10 2 4 1596 1380 115.65% 44
4 Port Adelaide 16 10 0 6 1665 1222 136.25% 40
5 Richmond 16 10 0 6 1394 1298 107.40% 40
6 Sydney 16 9 0 7 1455 1283 113.41% 36
7 Melbourne 16 9 0 7 1530 1434 106.69% 36
8 West Coast 16 9 0 7 1411 1382 102.10% 36
9 St Kilda 16 9 0 7 1422 1431 99.37% 36
10 Essendon 16 8 0 8 1545 1424 108.50% 32
11 Wstn Bulldogs 16 8 0 8 1291 1371 94.16% 32
12 Fremantle 16 7 0 9 1201 1490 80.60% 28
13 Hawthorn 16 6 1 9 1343 1592 84.36% 26
14 Collingwood 16 6 0 10 1408 1467 95.98% 24
15 Gold Coast 16 6 0 10 1407 1646 85.48% 24
16 Carlton 16 5 0 11 1161 1411 82.28% 20
17 Nth Melbourne 16 4 0 12 1448 1627 89.00% 16
18 Brisbane 16 3 0 13 1319 1910 69.06% 12

https://footyforecaster.com/AFL/Ladder/2017_Round_17

[Jacks Back]

If you play 17 games do you need 10 wins minimum to make finals?

The minimum is not yet known as it will depend on the how the season goes and who wins what.

But 10 wins would be extremely likely to have a team playing finals.

9 wins may, but may also miss out.

The Pies draw may play a part too as they good end up on 9 wins and a draw. Though their next three are against Swans, Crows and Dees!

Last year 9 wins would just get you in after 17 games played

https://footyforecaster.com/AFL/Ladder/2019_Round_18

And in 2017 after 17 rounds St Kilda was ninth on nine wins. So 9 may get you in, or it may not. 10 and your are almost certain to.

AFL Ladder: After 2017 Round 17
Position Team M W D L For Agst %age Points
1 Adelaide 16 12 0 4 1817 1294 140.42% 48
2 Geelong 16 11 1 4 1627 1378 118.07% 46
3 GW Sydney 16 10 2 4 1596 1380 115.65% 44
4 Port Adelaide 16 10 0 6 1665 1222 136.25% 40
5 Richmond 16 10 0 6 1394 1298 107.40% 40
6 Sydney 16 9 0 7 1455 1283 113.41% 36
7 Melbourne 16 9 0 7 1530 1434 106.69% 36
8 West Coast 16 9 0 7 1411 1382 102.10% 36
9 St Kilda 16 9 0 7 1422 1431 99.37% 36
10 Essendon 16 8 0 8 1545 1424 108.50% 32
11 Wstn Bulldogs 16 8 0 8 1291 1371 94.16% 32
12 Fremantle 16 7 0 9 1201 1490 80.60% 28
13 Hawthorn 16 6 1 9 1343 1592 84.36% 26
14 Collingwood 16 6 0 10 1408 1467 95.98% 24
15 Gold Coast 16 6 0 10 1407 1646 85.48% 24
16 Carlton 16 5 0 11 1161 1411 82.28% 20
17 Nth Melbourne 16 4 0 12 1448 1627 89.00% 16
18 Brisbane 16 3 0 13 1319 1910 69.06% 12

https://footyforecaster.com/AFL/Ladder/2017_Round_17

Thanks but that's only 16 games played each. There is a bye in there.

AFL Ladder: After 2019 Round 18
Position Team M W D L For Agst %age Points
1 Geelong 17 13 0 4 1544 1137 135.80% 52
2 Brisbane 17 12 0 5 1545 1345 114.87% 48
3 West Coast 17 12 0 5 1443 1271 113.53% 48
4 Collingwood 17 11 0 6 1439 1286 111.90% 44
5 Richmond 17 11 0 6 1458 1356 107.52% 44
6 GW Sydney 17 10 0 7 1566 1267 123.60% 40
7 Essendon 17 10 0 7 1344 1294 103.86% 40
8 Adelaide 17 9 0 8 1409 1279 110.16% 36
9 Port Adelaide 17 8 0 9 1354 1324 102.27% 32
10 Hawthorn 17 8 0 9 1310 1285 101.95% 32
11 Fremantle 17 8 0 9 1227 1275 96.24% 32
12 Wstn Bulldogs 17 8 0 9 1364 1461 93.36% 32
13 Nth Melbourne 17 7 0 10 1420 1439 98.68% 28
14 St Kilda 17 7 0 10 1267 1528 82.92% 28
15 Sydney 17 6 0 11 1285 1347 95.40% 24
16 Carlton 17 5 0 12 1263 1476 85.57% 20
17 Melbourne 17 5 0 12 1246 1545 80.65% 20
18 Gold Coast 17 3 0 14 1048 1617 64.81% 12

[ace]

If you play 17 games do you need 10 wins minimum to make finals?

If so, we are only 4 wins off.

That is the billion dollar question. Surely some AFL nerd has worked out the minimum amount of wins required to make the 8.

Normally in a 22 round season you need 13 wins to guarantee finals
That equates to 10 wins in a 17 round season.
6 wins out of 9 leaves the Saints needing to win 4 out of the remaining 8 matches

Gold Coast
Geelong
Essendon

BYE
West Coast
Brisbane
GWS
Hawthorn
Melbourne
QF
PF
GF

Compress last 6 rounds into 5 weeks
6 rounds in the next 5 weeks after Essendon on 16 August.
Assuming no bye ahead of finals
Finals start Friday 25 September
Grand Final on Saturday 17 October

If you insert a bye before the finals
Finals would start Friday 2 October with the Grand Final on Saturday 24 October.

MCG unlikely to be a finals venue.
Sydney unlikely.
Face it all clubs will remain hubbed outside of Vic and NSW until season complete.

Most likely venue is the Gabba, our home ground for 2020.
But if West Coast are the highest placed team ahead of the GF they will be squealing for it to be played in Perth.
If Port Adelaide are the highest placed team ahead of the GF they will be squealing for it to be played in Adelaide.
GF looking like the 17 October if no bye ahead of the finals.

[saintspremiers]

If you play 17 games do you need 10 wins minimum to make finals?

If so, we are only 4 wins off.

That is the billion dollar question. Surely some AFL nerd has worked out the minimum amount of wins required to make the 8.

Normally in a 22 round season you need 13 wins to guarantee finals
That equates to 10 wins in a 17 round season.
6 wins out of 9 leaves the Saints needing to win 4 out of the remaining 8 matches

Gold Coast
Geelong
Essendon

BYE
West Coast
Brisbane
GWS
Hawthorn
Melbourne
QF
PF
GF

Compress last 6 rounds into 5 weeks
6 rounds in the next 5 weeks after Essendon on 16 August.
Assuming no bye ahead of finals
Finals start Friday 25 September
Grand Final on Saturday 17 October

If you insert a bye before the finals
Finals would start Friday 2 October with the Grand Final on Saturday 24 October.

MCG unlikely to be a finals venue.
Sydney unlikely.
Face it all clubs will remain hubbed outside of Vic and NSW until season complete.

Most likely venue is the Gabba, our home ground for 2020.
But if West Coast are the highest placed team ahead of the GF they will be squealing for it to be played in Perth.
If Port Adelaide are the highest placed team ahead of the GF they will be squealing for it to be played in Adelaide.
GF looking like the 17 October if no bye ahead of the finals.

IF and it’s a huge if - we a dropping of case numbers due to stage 4 there is some outside hope of a GF in Melbourne. But I reckon they’d want to push the GF to mid-November to make that a possibility.

Just chuck ankle bracelets on all positive COVID people. It’s so easy to do and cheap, and will keeep the bastards at home.

[stevie]

Personally I think there should be no ‘home’ finals for any team even the top two. Try and play them at a neutral ground even if it means we play port in Perth for example. No team will have earned a home final when most teams have been playing aaay from home. It’s ludicrous if Port stay top and get two home finals it’s not a normal season so the finals system has to change too

If we played West Coadt in the GF then play it in Adelaide. Just my opinion.

[saintsRrising]

Personally I think there should be no ‘home’ finals for any team even the top two. Try and play them at a neutral ground even if it means we play port in Perth for example. No team will have earned a home final when most teams have been playing aaay from home. It’s ludicrous if Port stay top and get two home finals it’s not a normal season so the finals system has to change too

If we played West Coadt in the GF then play it in Adelaide. Just my opinion.

While I hear what you say, the state where a final is held has in recent year's been determind by ladder position.

Subject border controls I expect that the AFL will maintain this.

WA teams may not get home finals though if they maintain their current quarantine requirements. ie at present teams have to fly in early and play one another and then the WA team. If this is still in existence, then finals with a non-WA team in WA would not be possible. Though if WCE were about to earna home final it will be interesting to see if WCE would cave or not.



The GF is a special case. As the AFL may want to milk the money from sponsors etc they may wish to make an early decision on the sate that is played in (ie not just a week out). This with the current rules would rule out WA and make Qld likely.

[saintsRrising]

Thanks but that's only 16 games played each. There is a bye in there.

AFL Ladder: After 2019 Round 18
Position Team M W D L For Agst %age Points
1 Geelong 17 13 0 4 1544 1137 135.80% 52
2 Brisbane 17 12 0 5 1545 1345 114.87% 48
3 West Coast 17 12 0 5 1443 1271 113.53% 48
4 Collingwood 17 11 0 6 1439 1286 111.90% 44
5 Richmond 17 11 0 6 1458 1356 107.52% 44
6 GW Sydney 17 10 0 7 1566 1267 123.60% 40
7 Essendon 17 10 0 7 1344 1294 103.86% 40
8 Adelaide 17 9 0 8 1409 1279 110.16% 36
9 Port Adelaide 17 8 0 9 1354 1324 102.27% 32
10 Hawthorn 17 8 0 9 1310 1285 101.95% 32
11 Fremantle 17 8 0 9 1227 1275 96.24% 32
12 Wstn Bulldogs 17 8 0 9 1364 1461 93.36% 32
13 Nth Melbourne 17 7 0 10 1420 1439 98.68% 28
14 St Kilda 17 7 0 10 1267 1528 82.92% 28
15 Sydney 17 6 0 11 1285 1347 95.40% 24
16 Carlton 17 5 0 12 1263 1476 85.57% 20
17 Melbourne 17 5 0 12 1246 1545 80.65% 20
18 Gold Coast 17 3 0 14 1048 1617 64.81% 12

Thanks my mistake.

But I still think it possible that 8 and 9th teams could each have 9 wins this year.