Gehrig ... misunderstood ?

[aussiejones]

Fans see his antics and frustration but ...he is a real professional

see RL comment
"Lyon said Gehrig's professionalism had been a pleasant surprise for the new St Kilda coach.

"His value to the team? Good luck replacing 60-goal forwards," Lyon said.

"It's not only what he does on the field…Fraser hasn't missed a session, he's one of our hardest trainers.

"He never complains with injury and he really leads the group well.

"All I've got for Fraser are compliments."

[Dan Warna]

my points exactly!!!!

lyon has obviously been listening to me extol the virtues of gehrig

also following my suggestions on game plan

lyon might be ok after all

[Spinner]

Thats it.....spot on.

People make judgements when they have no idea behind the scenes.....most time in these cases it is the exact opposite of what people think.

[evertonfc]

Hang on a sec - what are we meant to think when he plays those pathetic, two-possession games against half-decent defenders?

Seriously - perspective required.

He's refined the art of bulldozing crap defenders whilst getting murdered by good ones.

If he's still the player people make him out to be, he'll kick 4-5 this week on Darren Glass, yeah? I think that's fair.

Mind you, if we kick it to him on a lead, he probably will. For his size, he's the worst wrestling forward in the comp. He's shocking at it and gets very frustrated. He's by far at his best when he's on a lead - and we kick it out in front of him.

He's at the Dome, too. No excuses, Fraser.

[Dan Warna]

i think you have to look across a season.

if its so easy to kick bags why isn't everyone doing it?

on form he is one of hte top 5 forwards in teh competition, given he has carried a leg and hand injury thats pretty good.

the brions stretched out lynches career for two reasons.

1. he takes a good defender.
2. dont show him enough respect he'll murder you.

[aussiejones]

"Mind you, if we kick it to him on a lead, he probably will "

no wonder he gets frustrated

[evertonfc]

I think what's most frustrating Dan is that when Gehrig has a bad game, he does nothing.

Why can't his bad games be ones where he kicks two goals, has 12 touches, lays six tackles and creates heaps of forward pressure?

He just doesn't work hard enough when things aren't going right for him. He often ambles up the field at half-pace, but then fails to apply any pressure. I don't know if you can forgive that in this day and age when everyone needs to pull their weight.

I just wish he would sort himself out and that even if he wasn't having a blinding game, he could still make a big difference by a) causing headaches for the opposition by working hard and b) creating massive forward pressure.

Not too much to ask, surely?

[strauchanie]

Why can't his bad games be ones where he kicks two goals, has 12 touches, lays six tackles and creates heaps of forward pressure?

Name one player that we have that can do that? The only player i can think of that can kick 2 goals in a poor game consistently in the comp is Lloyd but he doesn't really tackle or create forward pressure.

[cowboy18]

Perspective required people - how can you create forward pressure when you are up on a wing chasing kicks? Or WAITING for someone with the ball to honour a lead that may - shock horror - end up being contested by an extra man back or a lunging defender?

Whilst he has gone missing on occasions for this year (with some truly horribly returns... and even a non-return) some of his diminished performance can be attributed to the way we set him up.

I share the toffs' frustration with the 0 returns and weaker performances but this year I don't think it's wholly his fault. And to perform poorly against the better defenders... there's a reason why Scarlett and co. have earned that tag.

[saintbrat]

he's leading the AFLPA poll of the week- as most valuable player for rd 20
http://www.aflpa.com.au/
Who was Round 20's Most Valuable Player?
4% Heath Shaw (Coll)
0% Matthew Lloyd (Ess)
44% Fraser Gehrig (St K)
11% Jonathan Brown (BL)
26% Daniel Kerr (WCE)
15% Kane Cornes (PA)
0% Gary Ablett (Geel)
0% Scott Welsh (Ade)

why aren't disallowed possessions allowed as numbers against a player? one of the games where Fraser reportedly didn't touch the ball he actually took a amark and kicked a goal - which was disallowed due to indiscretion by another player-

[The_Dud]

For his size, he's the worst wrestling forward in the comp. He's shocking at it and gets very frustrated.

u r joking, right?

PLEASE tell me you're joking

[Saints94]

For his size, he's the worst wrestling forward in the comp. He's shocking at it and gets very frustrated.

u r joking, right?

PLEASE tell me you're joking

hey if anyone fights with lets say milney gehrig walks near them and they shyte there dacks

[Saints94]

and lets just hope gehrig and harvs play on

[bigcarl]

He just doesn't work hard enough when things aren't going right for him. He often ambles up the field at half-pace, but then fails to apply any pressure. I don't know if you can forgive that in this day and age when everyone needs to pull their weight.

true, sometimes his frustration gets on top of him. i remember plugger suffering from the same syndrome at times. in his defence i will say that when he plays a shocker the ball has hardly got down there and we're being beaten in many positions, not just full forward.

i agree with lyon that 60-goal forwards are hard to replace

[evertonfc]

Thought he was absolutely murdered by Glass tonight.

[stinger]

Thought he was absolutely murdered by Glass tonight.

still should have had 5 goals...and if he didn't have a busted hand...he would have had more.......

[plugger66]

Thought he was absolutely murdered by Glass tonight.

still should have had 5 goals...and if he didn't have a busted hand...he would have had more.......

Not busted last week. Does he pick the weeks it is busted. He was beaten tonight by a better player and last week he beat his opponent.

[Teflon]

Thought he was absolutely murdered by Glass tonight.

still should have had 5 goals...and if he didn't have a busted hand...he would have had more.......

Not busted last week. Does he pick the weeks it is busted. He was beaten tonight by a better player and last week he beat his opponent.

Yep spot on.

I was not at allsurprised he got towelled up tonight - exactly like Im not surprised he gets towelled up against Scarlett?? why??.......these guys are very good backs and they know they simply have to win a few contest/get on top of Gehrig ....run off him for insult....and his mind and ability to NOT be able to work himself into a gamed will do the rest.

To be fair to Gehrig - skill level/delivery after half time was pathetic.

I thought Riewoldt demonstrated why he is a freak to come into the game so much i the last under enormous pressure - we went to him everytime....

[The_Dud]

FAR from our worst tonight, i'd be pointing the finger at a few others before having a look at G

[stinger]

Thought he was absolutely murdered by Glass tonight.

still should have had 5 goals...and if he didn't have a busted hand...he would have had more.......

Not busted last week. Does he pick the weeks it is busted. He was beaten tonight by a better player and last week he beat his opponent.

still should have had five goals...geez you are a nit picking lot.....

[plugger66]

Thought he was absolutely murdered by Glass tonight.

still should have had 5 goals...and if he didn't have a busted hand...he would have had more.......

Not busted last week. Does he pick the weeks it is busted. He was beaten tonight by a better player and last week he beat his opponent.

still should have had five goals...geez you are a nit picking lot.....

I actually wasnt having a go at G just was saying he was well beated by the best FB in the AFL.

[evertonfc]

Thought he was absolutely murdered by Glass tonight.

still should have had 5 goals...and if he didn't have a busted hand...he would have had more.......

Not busted last week. Does he pick the weeks it is busted. He was beaten tonight by a better player and last week he beat his opponent.

still should have had five goals...geez you are a nit picking lot.....

Aye, because if it's not a good time to analyse your team the night they play for a spot in the finals, is it?

Under pressure, against good opponants...I mean, they're the teams you need to beat, but hey, I guess it makes it harder to write glowingly about our players.

[Grimfang]

Going from the demeanour of G during the interview in the Victory room after the game, he won't play next season.

[saintbrat]

as in Grimfang? was it the words or just the recent defeat and soreness speaking?

[Grimfang]

Very non-committal when Beva put the question to him about next year. He said he might be on our side of the fence sharing a few beers.