I wish Roo was as good a kick for goal as Buddy....

[The_Dud]

Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......

oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!

[LENNY LEADS THE WAY]

I wish Riewoldt could get 8 shots on goal and a Cyril Rioli would be nice 2

[Lennon]

I wish Riewoldt's teammates would stop kicking to him when he has three to beat... not so much to ask, I would think.

[Spinner]

Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......

oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!

Not everyone can get their goals from 2 meters out. Looks like you didn't get a fed of the game there dud.

Some players have to try from much harder places within the forward 50. (like 35 meters out, 40 degree angle)

[kalsaint]

Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......

oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!

Roo has a higher goal % than Buddy this year. This is however, based on overall goals rather than set shots.

[my les foote]

Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......

oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!

You have to take into account the quality of some of Buddy's points.

When Riewoldt kicks points, they don't look nearly as good as Buddy's

[Saintschampions08]

Seriously, i don't understand how people are giving Franklin s***.

He's kicked 30 goals, from 6 games, Double what Riewoldt's kicked.

He's 21, not 25.

He's had more disposals then Riewoldt.

54 - 21 Scoring shots at goal

Then again, i don't get why people give s*** to Riewoldts kicking. He's been good this year, hasn't missed many, especially not easy ones, and he's kicked 15.6.

[The_Dud]

Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......

oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!

Not everyone can get their goals from 2 meters out. Looks like you didn't get a fed of the game there dud.

Some players have to try from much harder places within the forward 50. (like 35 meters out, 40 degree angle)

Franklin has two distances

he can kick them from 50, and he can kick them from the goal square

anywhere inbetween there and he is much more unreliable than Roo

i think Roo's shanked a total of 2 kicks this year, and has never returned figures of 1.7 or 1.11......

[starsign]

yeah but roughnut popped up with a bag
they seem to be able to function with a 2-pronged forward set up ok
but perhaps they both apply heaps of pressure an chase a bit too

[Spinner]

Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......

oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!

Not everyone can get their goals from 2 meters out. Looks like you didn't get a fed of the game there dud.

Some players have to try from much harder places within the forward 50. (like 35 meters out, 40 degree angle)

Franklin has two distances

he can kick them from 50, and he can kick them from the goal square

anywhere inbetween there and he is much more unreliable than Roo

i think Roo's shanked a total of 2 kicks this year, and has never returned figures of 1.7 or 1.11......

Seriously dude, here is some advice.

Don't bag players that are stars that happen to play for opposition clubs.

It made you look like you watch very little outside of anything red, white and black.

[evertonfc]

Seriously dude, here is some advice.

Don't bag players that are stars that happen to play for opposition clubs.

It made you look like you watch very little outside of anything red, white and black.

It's pathetic how our fans bag other teams' players, yet so willingly talk up our players as something special.

Here's the thing: Buddy has an off day, Roughy bounces up and fills in.

Hawthorn are a quality side.

[Spinner]

Seriously dude, here is some advice.

Don't bag players that are stars that happen to play for opposition clubs.

It made you look like you watch very little outside of anything red, white and black.

It's pathetic how our fans bag other teams' players, yet so willingly talk up our players as something special.

Here's the thing: Buddy has an off day, Roughy bounces up and fills in.

Hawthorn are a quality side.

I heard somewhere, which I totally agree with.

Buddy has been front page news ALL WEEK. Compared ALL WEEK to the greatest our game has seen.

He was always going to crack. And I dont see 1.7 at all that bad. Its better than 2.4 every other week like Roo and Richo alike.

[HarveysDeciple]

Franklin's a gun but this is about his kicking....last year he kicked 72.69...very innaccurate.

champion yes, briliant kick for goal, no.

[BAM! (shhhh)]

Seriously dude, here is some advice.

Don't bag players that are stars that happen to play for opposition clubs.

It made you look like you watch very little outside of anything red, white and black.

It's pathetic how our fans bag other teams' players, yet so willingly talk up our players as something special.

Here's the thing: Buddy has an off day, Roughy bounces up and fills in.

Hawthorn are a quality side.

Let me get this straight - Buddy Franklin kicks 1.7 but that's okay because Hawthorn are a quality side? 1.7 is a scoreline that would have placed a loss on Buddy's head if they weren't a quality side, or if Richmond were.

By the same token as the comment above about Saints supporters being biased in favour of our players, I am continually disgusted by the number of Saints supporters who fawn on others teams stars as if doing so made them objective. Franklin's done this before, it's the remaining flaw in his game.

[BAM! (shhhh)]

I heard somewhere, which I totally agree with.

Buddy has been front page news ALL WEEK. Compared ALL WEEK to the greatest our game has seen.

He was always going to crack. And I dont see 1.7 at all that bad. Its better than 2.4 every other week like Roo and Richo alike.

Buddy and Richo have very comparable percentages, very comparable dominance of the game at a young age, icluding the hype Richo used to get.

If you don't see 1.7 as that bad, then you're missing a lot of what Reiwoldt, Pavlich, Brown and even Hall do in order to help their team by being team players and not simply taking a shot every time the ball's in their hands. Franklin's clearly in the elite based on scoreboard pressure, marks, and ability, and he can clearly be the best of the bunch - but he needs to get the 1.7s out of the repertoire to take the debate out of it.

[saintjake]

buddy is so good because he is relaxed.
watch him out on the field.
he smiles, laughs, but carries a bit of arrogance with him
roo is stressed to the eyeballs, never cracks a smile, and has no confidence.

[evertonfc]

Let me get this straight - Buddy Franklin kicks 1.7 but that's okay because Hawthorn are a quality side? 1.7 is a scoreline that would have placed a loss on Buddy's head if they weren't a quality side, or if Richmond were.

I never said it was a good thing; I only commented that they have the flexibility in player ability to cover for any problems that emerge.

That is plan B. If our forward line mis-fires or is beaten outright, our game plan dies an instant death.

By the same token as the comment above about Saints supporters being biased in favour of our players, I am continually disgusted by the number of Saints supporters who fawn on others teams stars as if doing so made them objective. Franklin's done this before, it's the remaining flaw in his game.

Right.

Hawthorn, 6-0, and looking capable of winning a premiership - and staying competitive for the next five years.

St Kilda, 3-3, looking 50-50 just to make the eight, don't look competitive against good teams and possibly in need of a new coach and some serious of rebuilding in 2009.

That's not being pessimistic - that's very much the scenario facing us if we maintain, as a whole, our current path.

As for Buddy, he has an off day and someone else fills in - so what? Who fills in for us when Riewoldt has an off day?

That's the difference between us and them. They're not slow, undisciplined, predictable or one-dimensional.

[BAM! (shhhh)]

By and large I agree. Hawthorn is looking very good, St. Kilda is not.

It's not hard to be impressed with Buddy Franklin or with Hawthorn. The most impressive thing about Franklin is that he's still got plenty of scope for improvement... there are few guys capable of earning the opportunity to kick that badly. The impressive thing about Hawthorn is that they're a great side for the forseeable future whether he fulfills that or not, as exemplified by their winning when Franklin kicked a losing score.

What surprised me was the suggestion that Franklin is somehow not open to criticism from our side of the fence.

[The_Dud]

Buddy vs Richmond, 1 goal 7.......

oh, but he's an awesome kick for goal, unlike that hack Riewoldt!

Not everyone can get their goals from 2 meters out. Looks like you didn't get a fed of the game there dud.

Some players have to try from much harder places within the forward 50. (like 35 meters out, 40 degree angle)

Franklin has two distances

he can kick them from 50, and he can kick them from the goal square

anywhere inbetween there and he is much more unreliable than Roo

i think Roo's shanked a total of 2 kicks this year, and has never returned figures of 1.7 or 1.11......

Seriously dude, here is some advice.

Don't bag players that are stars that happen to play for opposition clubs.

It made you look like you watch very little outside of anything red, white and black.

sorry my friend, i think u have missed the WHOLE POINT of this thread

u, along with many on here, have carried on about how goood a kick for goal Buddy is, and how much better he is than Roo, and all that

the fact is, that is WRONG

and when Buddy comes out and shows this by kicking scores like 1.7 and 1.11 (hell, even 8.6) you still tow the line that hes a great kick for goal!?!?

if Roo came out next week and kicked 1.7, i'd say u would be one of the first to pot him about not being an elite player cos he can't kick, but when buddy does it, u brush it off.....?

don't get suckered in by the highlight reel showing buddy slot a few from outside 50 and on the boundary, cos they don't show the ones he misses from 30 meters out

THE POINT IS, Buddy is no better a kick for goal than Roo (he's probably worse, as the stats show...), all he is is a LONGER kick than Roo, but again, this doesn't mean he's a BETTER kick, just look at Rocca.....

[my les foote]

Not everyone can get their goals from 2 meters out. Looks like you didn't get a fed of the game there dud.

Some players have to try from much harder places within the forward 50. (like 35 meters out, 40 degree angle)

I guess you didn't see Buddy's goal. One metre at most.

And Roo doesn't kick well under pressure, unlike let's say, Pavlich

[Lennon]

It's pathetic how our fans bag other teams' players, yet so willingly talk up our players as something special.

Well, that's certainly not what happens on SS at any rate.

Riewoldt gets blamed for us losing, when most of the team plays like sh1t, because he misses a shot on goal, despite easily being in our best players for the match.

Buddy kicks 1.7 yet is not to be criticised because somebody else stepped up and the Hawks still won.

Try to apply a little logic to your own argument and you will see it makes no sense!

If you don't see 1.7 as that bad, then you're missing a lot of what Reiwoldt, Pavlich, Brown and even Hall do in order to help their team by being team players and not simply taking a shot every time the ball's in their hands. .

Exactly.

It seems to me that Buddy bought a bit too much of his own press last week.

[evertonfc]

Riewoldt gets blamed for us losing, when most of the team plays like sh1t, because he misses a shot on goal, despite easily being in our best players for the match.

By who?

No respected poster would ever blame him for us losing. What an odd thing to suggest.

Buddy kicks 1.7 yet is not to be criticised because somebody else stepped up and the Hawks still won.

You need to apply some perspective mate.

Buddy's had a corker of a year. He's allowed one off day now and again.

Not only that, but someone else stepped in.

Done and dusted.

[Lennon]

He almost never gets blamed for us losing. What an odd thing to say.

You have got to be joking. Have you been reading the vitriol posted on here about him after losses for about the last three years?

Not only that, but someone else stepped in.

But that is completely irrelevant.

We are talking about Franklin and Riewoldt's kicking, not about which team still plays well if they misfire.

[HarveysDeciple]

I thought the thread was about franklin's kicking for goal? not the credentials of the hawks.

[jackal]

But Buddy nails them from outside 50 to win games!!! Roo plays on from 30meters and get caught. Needs a slap and told to pull his head in.

Mark inside 50 = Shot on Goal ... BY ORDER OF COACH!