A look at our list

[wasoncestkil58]

1. Worth keeping( needs backup)
2. Keeper
3. Same (but butchers it at times)
4. Potential star. (Poor tonight)
5. Tradeable
6. Keeper
7. Tradeable
8. Keeper but should spend more time in the middle.
9. Keeper
10. ? Who knows
11. Will be good
13. Trade
14. Will never take us further as a leader. Good ordinary toiler.
15. Disappointing but would be a good player in a good side. Bit soft.
16. Trade
17. Ticker?(We need him back hope his health is good)
18. Trade doesn't do enough after ruck contests.
19. Gone
20. Gone (probably stay as leader around the club)
21. Keeper has the x factor
22. One more year only.
23. Who knows (play him otherwise we won't know)
24. Keep
25. Already gone (sad)
26. Keeper
27. Tradeable
28. Keeper
29. Definitely keep
30. Keep
31. Keep
32. Not sure(pretty shallow draft)
33. Keep
34. Gone
35. Dissapointing this year but has talent.
36. Like the boy not the hair. Haha
37. Keeper
38. Unknown
39. Unknown
40. Unknown
41. Trade
42. Gone
43. Keep
44. Gold Coast with brother
45. Keep
46. Unknown
47. Unknown

[saintbob]

Trade and get the best picks available for the following;

Steven, Dunstan, Newnes, Longer Armitage and
Weller

Delist
Gilbert. Lonie, Wright, Pierce, Goddard and Minchington

[stonecold]

You can add Hickey as well, he is not of AFL standard, when he looks like he might be, he either plays bruise free footy or his body let's him down!!!!!

I wouldn't be giving Freeman a new contract either, he has lost all of he's strengths, well done to him for persisting, but he is just an average Joe now!!!!!

[Dr Spaceman]

I wouldn't be giving Freeman a new contract either, he has lost all of he's strengths, well done to him for persisting, but he is just an average Joe now!!!!!

Well that puts him ahead of all the "Less Than Average Joes" who are currently on our list.

[saintsRrising]

or his body let's him down!!!!!

Thank God that Longer never has injuries.............................

[cwrcyn]

Dunstan...slow, poor endurance, poor disposal...TRADE
Newnes.. what happened? A player who plays it safe and lacks creativity...TRADE
Longer...the least skilful player in the AFL ...TRADE
Gilbert...great career, can hold his head high, but it may be time...RETIRE
Stevens..RETIRED
Wright..VFL level player in the mould of Geary...DELIST
Weller..Hard working B grader who has lost all form...TRADE
Lonie...at his size he needs to have more going for him. Van only play as a small forward...it's a toss of the coin whether to keep, trade, or de-list

I also fear Roberton's career may be over. Very sad if true. One of our better players

[stonecold]

or his body let's him down!!!!!

Longer never has injuries.............................

Whatever!!!!!

Go away or as Mrs Brown says: Feekoff!!!!!

Tom's mistake started the rot, simple!!!!!

Trengrove was giving him a bath anyway, lucky he had an excuse!!!!!

Oh and for all the Mav Weller bashers, how did JJ go last night!!!!!

Keyboard Cowboys, Clueless, many of you!!!!!

[Royston]

Good on Freeman for his resilience and getting a game under his belt.

Unfotunately for him l think he will not be offered another contract.
He has no longer got what was the one ingredient we all wanted him to have....his speed
and breakaway pace. Whether he is only going at 80% to protect his hammy or has just not got
the strength and therefore confidence in them is semantics really....

While possessions look good on paper and certainly we all got/get excited with his Sandy stats
the unfortunate reality is they are not damaging or are in areas on the ground that hurt the opposition.

The 'type' of stats he has been getting at Sandy tells me this is the reason it has taken so long for him
to be selected, notwithstanding how ordinary the 22 collective have been in the seniors.

You can bang on about game plan, coaching, ball movement, lack of leadership, non development of players
or would be better in a stronger team discussion but what we need are players who will improve and take us forward.....Freeman is not one of these - sadly.

[stkfc1]

FFS! Freeman has one game, doesn't set the world on fire, and people ready to move him on. Using that rationality 99% of AFL players would never play again after game 1. So what if he doesnt have full speed yet he can work on other parts of his game until he has full confidence in his body again. Seriously, get a grip people.

[bergsone]

FFS! Freeman has one game, doesn't set the world on fire, and people ready to move him on. Using that rationality 99% of AFL players would never play again after game 1. So what if he doesnt have full speed yet he can work on other parts of his game until full confident in his body again. Seriously, get a grip people.

Agree,Freeman is the least of our problems.Would get picked up by other clubs if delisted.A one game saint,stupid idea

[Royston]

Fairly sure l'm allowed an opinion....
What other players do we keep while they work on other parts of their game ?!
Goddard ?!
Wright ?!
Lonie ?!

[Dr Spaceman]

FFS! Freeman has one game, doesn't set the world on fire, and people ready to move him on. Using that rationality 99% of AFL players would never play again after game 1. So what if he doesnt have full speed yet he can work on other parts of his game until full confident in his body again. Seriously, get a grip people.

Agree,Freeman is the least of our problems.Would get picked up by other clubs if delisted.A one game saint,stupid idea

Well Freeman obviously still needs to work on other aspects of his game if he is to be part of the Saints senior team.

Things such as continually letting us down whilst being selected on a weekly basis.

[bergsone]

Fairly sure l'm allowed an opinion....
What other players do we keep while they work on other parts of their game ?!
Goddard ?!
Wright ?!
Lonie ?!

Fair enough having an opinion,both Wright,Lonie and others have had more chances by being able to play,Goddard has also had terrible run with injuries.I would be keeping Freeman before some others

[saynta]

Trade and get the best picks available for the following;

Steven, Dunstan, Newnes, Longer Armitage and
Weller

Delist
Gilbert. Lonie, Wright, Pierce, Goddard and Minchington

Only one of those tradeable and he is likely to win our B & F this year

[saynta]

You can add Hickey as well, he is not of AFL standard, when he looks like he might be, he either plays bruise free footy or his body let's him down!!!!!

I wouldn't be giving Freeman a new contract either, he has lost all of he's strengths, well done to him for persisting, but he is just an average Joe now!!!!!

19 possessions in a half a game says you are wrong.

[Royston]

Agree there are a few in front of him....sad reflection of our list.
There in lies the problem, 10 or so list changes realistically needed, but the incoming 10
need to be upgrades or potential upgrades on the departing.

[saynta]

Good on Freeman for his resilience and getting a game under his belt.

Unfotunately for him l think he will not be offered another contract.
He has no longer got what was the one ingredient we all wanted him to have....his speed
and breakaway pace. Whether he is only going at 80% to protect his hammy or has just not got
the strength and therefore confidence in them is semantics really....

While possessions look good on paper and certainly we all got/get excited with his Sandy stats
the unfortunate reality is they are not damaging or are in areas on the ground that hurt the opposition.

The 'type' of stats he has been getting at Sandy tells me this is the reason it has taken so long for him
to be selected, notwithstanding how ordinary the 22 collective have been in the seniors.

You can bang on about game plan, coaching, ball movement, lack of leadership, non development of players
or would be better in a stronger team discussion but what we need are players who will improve and take us forward.....Freeman is not one of these - sadly.

Give the kid a break ffs. It was his first f****** game.

[stkfc1]

Fairly sure l'm allowed an opinion....
What other players do we keep while they work on other parts of their game ?!
Goddard ?!
Wright ?!
Lonie ?!

.uk
Of course you're allowed an opinion. I'm allowed to disagree with it. Thats the beauty of fan forums!! We can agree to disagree.
Goddard I'd definitely keep. Brown wont be around forever and his last few games in VFL he's been showing some good form. He may not end up being AFL standard but worth finding out.
Lonie I'm in two minds about. He definitely has some elite skills and at least he's starting to hit the scoreboard but has poor decision-making (he's not alone there) and defintley needs to work on his physicality, which both can be improved with time. Different type of player but I think Acres and Lonie have similar issues. Long seems a better option going forward.
Agree Wright is done. Shame as his speed is something we're desperately in need of. Never seemed to recover from that horrific jaw injury.
Please feel free to agree or disagree with me.

[stonecold]

You can add Hickey as well, he is not of AFL standard, when he looks like he might be, he either plays bruise free footy or his body let's him down!!!!!

I wouldn't be giving Freeman a new contract either, he has lost all of he's strengths, well done to him for persisting, but he is just an average Joe now!!!!!

19 possessions in a half a game says you are wrong.

Whatever, I'm not having a go at him, he just doesn't have the x-factor and class he once had, we have too many plan Jaynes already!!!!!

19 possession's in a half doesn't make me wrong!!!!!

Simpleton thinking on your part really!!!!!

[Royston]

Good on Freeman for his resilience and getting a game under his belt.

Unfotunately for him l think he will not be offered another contract.
He has no longer got what was the one ingredient we all wanted him to have....his speed
and breakaway pace. Whether he is only going at 80% to protect his hammy or has just not got
the strength and therefore confidence in them is semantics really....

While possessions look good on paper and certainly we all got/get excited with his Sandy stats
the unfortunate reality is they are not damaging or are in areas on the ground that hurt the opposition.

The 'type' of stats he has been getting at Sandy tells me this is the reason it has taken so long for him
to be selected, notwithstanding how ordinary the 22 collective have been in the seniors.

You can bang on about game plan, coaching, ball movement, lack of leadership, non development of players
or would be better in a stronger team discussion but what we need are players who will improve and take us forward.....Freeman is not one of these - sadly.

Give the kid a break ffs. It was his first f****** game.

What's that mean.....give him a break?

I wasn't bagging him, actually commended him on getting a game.
I just don't think he is a part of our squad going forward.
I may be incorrect....

19 possessions in 80% ToG
You must have been happy with Billings' output of 27 from 92% ToG ?

[Royston]

Fairly sure l'm allowed an opinion....
What other players do we keep while they work on other parts of their game ?!
Goddard ?!
Wright ?!
Lonie ?!

.uk
Of course you're allowed an opinion. I'm allowed to disagree with it. Thats the beauty of fan forums!! We can agree to disagree.
Goddard I'd definitely keep. Brown wont be around forever and his last few games in VFL he's been showing some good form. He may not end up being AFL standard but worth finding out.
Lonie I'm in two minds about. He definitely has some elite skills and at least he's starting to hit the scoreboard but has poor decision-making (he's not alone there) and defintley needs to work on his physicality, which both can be improved with time. Different type of player but I think Acres and Lonie have similar issues. Long seems a better option going forward.
Agree Wright is done. Shame as his speed is something we're desperately in need of. Never seemed to recover from that horrific jaw injury.
Please feel free to agree or disagree with me.

What you express is fine and no issues with opinions and discussing.

Just starting your reply with FFS and finishing with get a grip....fairly dogmatic i

[Viscount Jeremiah]

People saying freeman's body is shot I don't agree.. Hes only 23 and kids at that age have a remarkable ability to recover.

He may not totally have his explosive speed and confidence back yet but he hasn't had a knee reco. No reason he can't get explosive again

[Scollop]

People saying freeman's body is shot I don't agree.. Hes only 23 and kids at that age have a remarkable ability to recover.

He may not totally have his explosive speed and confidence back yet but he hasn't had a knee reco. No reason he can't get explosive again

Is that the medical opinion or just your guess?

I'm not being a smartarse, just a genuine question because I'm not sure of the evidence and history of other athletes with similar problems. Are the muscles able to repair and grow unimpeded? Does he have any scar tissue or will ther be other physical barriers to regain that explosiveness?

[resaintlee]

Lonie played well in the 1st Q but is a player who needs others playing well around him and as the game went on he didn't have that. In a team going well he will prove to be a valuable player. A keeper (in the hope we will improve).

[desertsaint]

would much rather we keep our players, with the exception of some of those we traded in like weller, who haven't performed at two clubs, or the older leaders that have failed to lead, like newnes.
get in a new coaching group and give the players a chance to perform under them. cut those that don't.
just don't think it right to give up on players that we have drafted into the worst coaching group in the league and stuffed up their careers. we owe them.