Trade Whispers Update

[parkeysainter]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tr ... 3f210014b8

Apparantly we are looking at Roughy from the Dogs also. Don't be surprised if we throw our hat in the ring for Shiel too.

In any case, the Saints are going to be big players this trade period. I really like it and its what we've wanted.

[CURLY]

Think we keep a core of 18 and or so and move anyone else we can

[To the top]

Fool’s paradise

The key word is “Trade”

So who do we trade out to trade in?

Do we trade out an Acres to get whoever?

That is throwing out the baby with the bath water stuff

Simply, we have a core of players we have Drafted with First Round Picks - plus we have obtained some others including Carlisle, Freeman, Roberton, Membrey (if correctly deployed and where injuries have meant he is not correctly deployed), Bruce et al

Then we have some later picks such as Battle

This is the core on which we build, with patience as these kids mature and deliver

To disrupt that programme for short term gain will be a disaster

As St Kilda’s history of Star players from Barker to Winnar to Lockett to Harvey to Riewoldt and the others tells us given the premiership success having star players does not deliver success

Best we focus on the top 20 on our List, add another high Draft Pick in coming months and turn and turn again the bottom 20 on our List, a bottom 29 who have no Trade value including the Captain and a ruckman out of Contract as season’s end

We are not in a position to trade

The focus should be on Free Agency - exclusively

[shrodes]

The key word is “Trade”

So who do we trade out to trade in?

We are not in a position to trade

The focus should be on Free Agency - exclusively

There's also picks, but we don't have many of those

I'm with you on the vast majority of our young players, but that's not to say we don't have any trade bait.

[Cairnsman]

Fool’s paradise

The key word is “Trade”

So who do we trade out to trade in?

Do we trade out an Acres to get whoever?

That is throwing out the baby with the bath water stuff

Simply, we have a core of players we have Drafted with First Round Picks - plus we have obtained some others including Carlisle, Freeman, Roberton, Membrey (if correctly deployed and where injuries have meant he is not correctly deployed), Bruce et al

Then we have some later picks such as Battle

This is the core on which we build, with patience as these kids mature and deliver

To disrupt that programme for short term gain will be a disaster

As St Kilda’s history of Star players from Barker to Winnar to Lockett to Harvey to Riewoldt and the others tells us given the premiership success having star players does not deliver success

Best we focus on the top 20 on our List, add another high Draft Pick in coming months and turn and turn again the bottom 20 on our List, a bottom 29 who have no Trade value including the Captain and a ruckman out of Contract as season’s end

We are not in a position to trade

The focus should be on Free Agency - exclusively

Absolutely. Got to hold the nerve and not jump at shadows.

Think of this year as an aberration.

Patients.

Keep plugging away at trying to bring players in as part of trying to compliment the list that most pundits believe is a decent core.

[Selhurst Saint]

We have said we were going to be big players in the trade period the last two years and delivered nothing. The last two years no one wanted to come to us. This year no one will want to come to us AND we have nothing to trade. We are in a world of pain.

[The_Dud]

To get something good you have to give something good, which is the problem.

[sendmehomehappy]

Get in a good coaching panel and see the difference.

[dragit]

We are not in a position to trade

The focus should be on Free Agency - exclusively

We need to be smarter than that.

No star free agents are coming to us in our state.

There will be some interest in Longer, Bruce, Savage & Weller… who we can either trade for players or a mid range pick to take to the draft or combine with other picks to improve our position in the draft.

If our rebuild is drifting significantly we may listen to offers for Steven.

We may decide that Dunstan, Steele, Ross are all too similar, with none of them being really big contested ball winners. Maybe we go for a Mitch Wallis as a free agent and turn one of these ^ guys into a decent pick?

[parkeysainter]

To clarify.
Most of the players we seem interested in are FA's besides Hanners. They cost you nothing if you basically outbid their club and they agree to leave. So in essence, it doesn't matter who we put up for trade or what picks we have to use when it comes to FA. Hanners is a different story, but we have enough picks and players in the bank to land him.

[WellardSaint]

I think nobody has wanted to come to the Saints, because:
1. the player will be under pressure from the media, supporters, maybe coaches too, to do a lot of heavy lifting and perform at 100% every game
2. the player will have to compensate for his team-mates' shortcomings
3. the player will be the 1st choice to be tagged, as we only have Stuv who attracts a tag
4. player can happily go to a top 4 side where he will be the 3rd or 4th tagging target, so less pressure at a top 4 club

Forget about the pure $$$, war chest is just a bait of money that no manager in their right mind, would fall for. Insanity to think that $$ would get a guy to a bottom 4 club.

Look at the pressure around Tom Boyd when the Dogs got him.
Ablett returned to the Cats because of family etc, Danger as well.
Money can't dictate where you choose to spend your working life- it can help, sure, but geez
happiness is everything

[WellardSaint]

We are not in a position to trade

The focus should be on Free Agency - exclusively

We need to be smarter than that.

No star free agents are coming to us in our state.

There will be some interest in Longer, Bruce, Savage & Weller… who we can either trade for players or a mid range pick to take to the draft or combine with other picks to improve our position in the draft.

If our rebuild is drifting significantly we may listen to offers for Steven.

We may decide that Dunstan, Steele, Ross are all too similar, with none of them being really big contested ball winners. Maybe we go for a Mitch Wallis as a free agent and turn one of these ^ guys into a decent pick?

Of the 3 mentioned, I would prefer to keep Steele in a heartbeat.

Dunstan might have been captain of the SA under-18 side, but he has struggled for consistency (poor development at our club?)
and he seems to be one-dimensional, and although he has improved, I think he might have hit the plateau and what we are now seeing
is his best, and there's no more to come.

Ross can get a huge amount of the ball, but he is undisciplined (e.g. Power game last yr, last throw-in)
and he does lazy things in every game I have ever seen;
he sometimes can give a very nice kick to advantage, but far far too often, even when he has a lot of time,
he just bombs in without caring where it's going. "Good, another possie in the bank".
If anyone is near him, he panics and just goes bang, or handballs up in the air to someone standing still.
I really do not like the way he plays- NOT a team player.

Steele has had bad luck in each preseason, with leg/ankle/foot issues, but he still gets in there and battles hard, you know exactly what you're getting with him.
Give him a solid, decent pre-season, and remember his young age, he has a lot of upside and will only get better.
With a change of assistants, he should flourish and really be a player to be proud of.

[Freebird]

Fool’s paradise

The key word is “Trade”

So who do we trade out to trade in?

Do we trade out an Acres to get whoever?

That is throwing out the baby with the bath water stuff

Simply, we have a core of players we have Drafted with First Round Picks - plus we have obtained some others including Carlisle, Freeman, Roberton, Membrey (if correctly deployed and where injuries have meant he is not correctly deployed), Bruce et al

Then we have some later picks such as Battle

This is the core on which we build, with patience as these kids mature and deliver

To disrupt that programme for short term gain will be a disaster

As St Kilda’s history of Star players from Barker to Winnar to Lockett to Harvey to Riewoldt and the others tells us given the premiership success having star players does not deliver success

Best we focus on the top 20 on our List, add another high Draft Pick in coming months and turn and turn again the bottom 20 on our List, a bottom 29 who have no Trade value including the Captain and a ruckman out of Contract as season’s end

We are not in a position to trade

The focus should be on Free Agency - exclusively

Could not agree more - St Kilda a big player in trade has a bad history. I'm scared as we give up the potential for average Joes

[Scollop]

We are not in a position to trade

The focus should be on Free Agency - exclusively

We need to be smarter than that.

No star free agents are coming to us in our state.

There will be some interest in Longer, Bruce, Savage & Weller… who we can either trade for players or a mid range pick to take to the draft or combine with other picks to improve our position in the draft.

If our rebuild is drifting significantly we may listen to offers for Steven.

We may decide that Dunstan, Steele, Ross are all too similar, with none of them being really big contested ball winners. Maybe we go for a Mitch Wallis as a free agent and turn one of these ^ guys into a decent pick?

Of the 3 mentioned, I would prefer to keep Steele in a heartbeat.

Dunstan might have been captain of the SA under-18 side, but he has struggled for consistency (poor development at our club?)
and he seems to be one-dimensional, and although he has improved, I think he might have hit the plateau and what we are now seeing
is his best, and there's no more to come.

Ross can get a huge amount of the ball, but he is undisciplined (e.g. Power game last yr, last throw-in)
and he does lazy things in every game I have ever seen;
he sometimes can give a very nice kick to advantage, but far far too often, even when he has a lot of time,
he just bombs in without caring where it's going. "Good, another possie in the bank".
If anyone is near him, he panics and just goes bang, or handballs up in the air to someone standing still.
I really do not like the way he plays- NOT a team player.

Steele has had bad luck in each preseason, with leg/ankle/foot issues, but he still gets in there and battles hard, you know exactly what you're getting with him.
Give him a solid, decent pre-season, and remember his young age, he has a lot of upside and will only get better.
With a change of assistants, he should flourish and really be a player to be proud of.

Plus 1. Very good post WS

[Dis Believer]

Ross can get a huge amount of the ball, but he is undisciplined (e.g. Power game last yr, last throw-in)
and he does lazy things in every game I have ever seen;
he sometimes can give a very nice kick to advantage, but far far too often, even when he has a lot of time,
he just bombs in without caring where it's going. "Good, another possie in the bank".
If anyone is near him, he panics and just goes bang, or handballs up in the air to someone standing still.
I really do not like the way he plays- NOT a team player.

Sorry but I have to disagree here. Ross is one of the few on our list that actually backpedals, doesn't panic, and makes a little time for himself to weigh up his options, and in doing so buys a little time for the next guy on the possession chain. No doubt he makes some blunders, but how many are because he has received possession already under the pump because of a team-mates panic? He's the sort of player that would look a million bucks in a better team where he received better support and disposal.......

[The Recruit]

Acres for Cerra get it done

[bigred]

will end up with nothing again.

[saintsRrising]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tr ... 3f210014b8

Apparantly we are looking at Roughy from the Dogs also. Don't be surprised if we throw our hat in the ring for Shiel too.

In any case, the Saints are going to be big players this trade period. I really like it and its what we've wanted.

I do not care if we are big players or not. What I care about is being smart players that acquire players at a reasonable price that will improve the club, and not just fora year or too, but long-term.

Roughy? Lets be serious he is no better than what we have. Just because someone is a free agent it does not in itself make a player worth getting.

Should Hannebery request a trade to the Saints, Sydney would likely ask St Kilda for its first pick — currently Pick 4 but could be anywhere between Picks 2 and 5 by season’s end — and the Saints could get Sydney’s first-round selection — which is set to be past Pick 10.

If we do that that trade as written we are cutting our on throats. The first 5 or 6 players are shaping up to be exceptional. Pick 10 and older Dodgey Hannebery. The Swans would take that deal in a heart beat every day of the week!

If this is the shape of our "Big Trades" then it would seem our Big Trading is all about doing enough so we cannot exit Richo and the exetive team patting each other of the backs about what good traders they are, rather than genuinely trying to rebuild us as a force.

[saintsRrising]

will end up with nothing again.

Worse than that...we seem to be heading fora bunch of discards, minor upgrades, injury prone players while most likely having to give up an excellent pick in a strong draft.

At this rate they would also be stupid enough to trade off Billings for a can of baked beans.

[SaintPav]

If we trade away our first round draft pick I’m will not be renewing my membership

[bigred]

Hanners not a good fit IMO.

Waste of kanga and we wont get the return required.

[Spinner]

Hanners not a good fit IMO.

Waste of kanga and we wont get the return required.

Waste of kanga? It's being wasted already on the players already on the list.

Not a good fit because he is a quality player?

Hannebery would be an exceptional get. Only problem is the trade cost but we are unable to attract FA due to our poor performances at the moment.

[To the top]

I am not of the view that any of Longer (out of Contract I believe), Savage or Weller have any significant trade value - if any at all

And why look to trade Bruce - who we could deploy to defence given Goddard and Austin do not progress and noting Brown's age and restrictions?

In terms of the similarity between Ross, Steele and Dunstan that comes down to team structure and the back up biding their time at Sandringham pending opportunity therefore strengthening our options and List which is the object of the exercise

And I would be retaining our pick at 4 or 5 to compliment our List

The pleasing news is Roberton - and Goddard showing something at VFL level

The extent of our injury list is that some are getting opportunity and others continue to get games - hence Pierce

It is a valid exercise to consider who we do not (and have not) had available thru this season

Because it remains my view that our problems revolve around the absence of class experienced players post the losses of Fisher, Dempster, Montagna and Riewoldt AND then the depth of our List, which has been tested by injury

[degruch]

will end up with nothing again.

Worse than that...we seem to be heading fora bunch of discards, minor upgrades, injury prone players while most likely having to give up an excellent pick in a strong draft.

At this rate they would also be stupid enough to trade off Billings for a can of baked beans.

I've got all my digits crossed for 2000/2001 trade period, but I can absolutely see the above coming instead...the Saints scrounging through the AFL bin like the dero I walked past this morning (who called me a rude prick for not looking at him, after he yelled gibberish at me - I was pretending to be a FA to complete the analogy).

[CURLY]

Plenty of our players have trade value to other clubs its stupid to suggest other wise.