Sinclair and Acres

terry smith rules · Mon 27 Aug 2018 12:46am

2 completely underwhelming years

I thought at the end of last year that Sinclair was going to have a break out year...... well that didn’t happen in any shape or form. I would look to trade him

Acres seems to have many fans on here. Well what happened today. Pretty much a bruise free rolling game he should have taken it apart instead 15 innocuous disposals. Come on fire up. I would look to trade

saintbob · Post: # 1752766Post **saintbob** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 12:49am

Sinclair’s year was disappointing

Acres missed the best part of 3 months, prior to that he was good

SemperFidelis · Mon 27 Aug 2018 12:52am

Sincs definitely down the last half of the year. But I’d keep him. Huge upside.

Blacres is a worry. He clearly has huge talent. Not sure why we either choose not to or cannot harness it. I’m pretty sure we’ll end up sending him home only to find someone else has the keys.

saintbob · Post: # 1752770Post **saintbob** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 1:04am

SemperFidelis wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 12:52am Sincs definitely down the last half of the year. But I’d keep him. Huge upside.

Blacres is a worry. He clearly has huge talent. Not sure why we either choose not to or cannot harness it. I’m pretty sure we’ll end up sending him home only to find someone else has the keys.

Acres needs to be play as a centreman, not as a 3rd tall in the forward line or as second ruckman.

The_Dud · Post: # 1752778Post **The_Dud** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 1:26am

With the right coach playing him in the right position, Acres will be a gun.

Hopefully it is with us.

parkeysainter · Mon 27 Aug 2018 1:33am

Both have a clear future. They are only going to get better. People write off and question players too early imo.

Scollop · Post: # 1752781Post **Scollop** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 1:33am

terry smith rules wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 12:46am 2 completely underwhelming years

I thought at the end of last year that Sinclair was going to have a break out year...... well that didn’t happen in any shape or form. I would look to trade him

Acres seems to have many fans on here. Well what happened today. Pretty much a bruise free rolling game he should have taken it apart instead 15 innocuous disposals. Come on fire up. I would look to trade

Acres 15 were worth a lot more than some dinky passes and kicks straight up in the air which go to an outnumber. Acres run and carry directly created a few goals tonight. Acres also copped a massive hit which winded him very early in the game.

He spent a little while on the bench and then when he came back on, was straight into the action and contesting the hard ball - not receiving cheapies out the back on a half back flank - Sebby style. Acres runs straight at the footy and when he gets it, doesn't just release early like Sebby or JB. If you want to look at guys who play bruise free, there's your 2 most likely.

ace · Post: # 1752791Post **ace** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 2:07am

Keep them both get rid of the ones who can't hit a target 15 metres away.

WellardSaint · Mon 27 Aug 2018 3:18am

parkeysainter wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 1:33am Both have a clear future. They are only going to get better. People write off and question players too early imo.

in one instance, he won the ball on a HBF, took 2 bounces, then kicked 30m to a guy in the clear, only problem was, it was a Norf guy.
Sad.

Waltzing St Kilda · Mon 27 Aug 2018 7:43am

Add both to the huge list of players who show heaps of early potential before
devolving into mediocrity.

Yorkeys · Post: # 1752812Post **Yorkeys** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 8:03am

Two of many that cannot compete for four quarters, or even one really, but marvellous cameos every five games or so. Acres has the excuse he is rusty but he made a few clangers that were worrying if he really is class. Sinclair going would be no loss, gets caught too often, slow reactions or unaware. Has been beaten comprehensively in too many games. But he will stay and be easy prey I imagine. Unfortunately a team is only as strong as weakest link.

fugazi · Post: # 1752816Post **fugazi** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 8:26am

Acres does seem half hearted. Wouldn't be surprised if he has a foot out the door.
Richo's selectuon policy and playing him ridiculously out of position would have him looking elsewhere.

rodgerfox · Post: # 1752818Post **rodgerfox** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 8:29am

The_Dud wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 1:26am With the right coach playing him in the right position, Acres will be a gun.

Hopefully it is with us.

Part of me agrees.

Part of me worries that Acres just isn't much good. You know, one of those guys that you always think will be good, but gets to the end of.His ccareer and you finally realise that they just weren't actually good footballers.

Sinclair however, would thrive in the right environment IMO.
He has the goods, and has shown it.

Seems a mental thing with him.

mightysainters · Mon 27 Aug 2018 8:45am

Acres was THE closest thing to A grade we had before he got injured.. absolute goldfish some people on this forum... he’s a gun

SaintPav · Post: # 1752826Post **SaintPav** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 8:58am

Acres IS NOT a gun.

He’s very unco though.

Sinclair looks like his cruising.

mightysainters · Mon 27 Aug 2018 9:02am

Acres is 192cm big bodied mid who is anything but unco... he hits the scoreboard and is a genuine goal kicking mid... he and Steven are out best mids we have.. by a mile

chico2001 · Mon 27 Aug 2018 10:14am

mightysainters wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 9:02am Acres is 192cm big bodied mid who is anything but unco... he hits the scoreboard and is a genuine goal kicking mid... he and Steven are out best mids we have.. by a mile

Not sure where he has been hitting the scoreboard, same for Sinclair. Both are in their early 20's and have enough games up to get an idea of how good they are and both are over rated. Would not put them in the same class as J.Steele or Seb Ross who can both get the ball and are consistent and reliable. Sinclair and Acres both have to be kept in the side because they are reasonably capable when they want to be.

saintadamski · Mon 27 Aug 2018 10:20am

chico2001 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 10:14am
mightysainters wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 9:02am Acres is 192cm big bodied mid who is anything but unco... he hits the scoreboard and is a genuine goal kicking mid... he and Steven are out best mids we have.. by a mile
Not sure where he has been hitting the scoreboard, same for Sinclair. Both are in their early 20's and have enough games up to get an idea of how good they are and both are over rated. Would not put them in the same class as J.Steele or Seb Ross who can both get the ball and are consistent and reliable. Sinclair and Acres both have to be kept in the side because they are reasonably capable when they want to be.

Sinclair has to be kept in the side?? Surely this is joke - but not a very funny one.

It always amazes me how Saints fans get more caught up in being Saints fans, rather than standing back objectively and looking at a player based on how they actually play....not just with the ball, but as importantly WITHOUT the ball.

Sinclair wears a Saints jumper. Now imagine him wearing a Carlton one. Do you still want him playing in our team? Need to step back.

samoht · Post: # 1752868Post **samoht** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 10:54am

Re: the criticism that Acres should be played in the guts - maybe Acres doesn't have the reflexes, the quick hands etc... to be our best option at centre clearances?
Anyway, he was averaging over 23 possessions per game last year and developing well despite "being played out of position" - this year was an injury interrupted year
and might have otherwise been his breakout year.

He hangs on to the ball and doesn't just dish it off like a hot potato, and is physical - so he does provide something valuable and different.

We reset next year - hopefully with the addition of an A grade midfielder with elite skills - we have too many C grade midfielders to be a serious contender.

chico2001 · Mon 27 Aug 2018 10:55am

haha, yes he has dropped off but unfortunately they dont have much better at the minute. If they recruit a few decent players then those mentioned will spend a bit of time in the two's especially Sinclair. A bottom four side with bottom 4 players, both would get a game with Carlton and Gold coast. I think they have 1 more year to play a lot better, there has to be improvement of at least 100% win/loss ratio in 2019 and these types of players have to drive it. Otherwise it is going to be a tough year again.

mightysainters · Mon 27 Aug 2018 11:21am

Acres was one of our top 3 players before he got injured... his reflexes are very good, maybe he can be slow to dispose but that is experience.. not a reflex. Goddard was very similar until he got games in. Unfortunately when he was hitting his straps he got injured. Acres is quality.. his last couple of games have been ordinary but he’s been out for a long time and lacks match fitness

portosaint · Mon 27 Aug 2018 11:57am

Very hard to get a gauge on someone who has played 90% of their games out of position. Blake's development has been stifled and its not his fault IMO.

He is a true centreman... A big one at that. He is actually our point of difference. He's not this utility that AR is trying to make him out to be. Put him in the guts, leave him there to develop, and watch his game grow. The kid doesn't know if he is Arthur or Martha!

He plays in a different position every 5 bloody minutes. Do any of you understand how hard that would be in a team such as the Saints. Players who have one position to worry about struggle with our "structure and systems", let alone having to try and fit into multiple roles.

Part of me wants to see him go elsewhere.

rodgerfox · Mon 27 Aug 2018 12:00pm

portosaint wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 11:57am Very hard to get a gauge on someone who has played 90% of their games out of position. Blake's development has been stifled and its not his fault IMO.

He is a true centreman... A big one at that. He is actually our point of difference. He's not this utility that AR is trying to make him out to be. Put him in the guts, leave him there to develop, and watch his game grow. The kid doesn't know if he is Arthur or Martha!

He plays in a different position every 5 bloody minutes. Do any of you understand how hard that would be in a team such as the Saints. Players who have one position to worry about struggle with our "structure and systems", let alone having to try and fit into multiple roles.

Part of me wants to see him go elsewhere.

His decision making is appalling. His instinct is non-existent.

Therefore, I don't think he'll be a genuinely good on-baller.

His best chance is as a Tom Lynch (Adelaide version) type forward.
But he can't kick, which is a problem.

portosaint · Mon 27 Aug 2018 1:12pm

rodgerfox wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 12:00pm
portosaint wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 11:57am Very hard to get a gauge on someone who has played 90% of their games out of position. Blake's development has been stifled and its not his fault IMO.

He is a true centreman... A big one at that. He is actually our point of difference. He's not this utility that AR is trying to make him out to be. Put him in the guts, leave him there to develop, and watch his game grow. The kid doesn't know if he is Arthur or Martha!

He plays in a different position every 5 bloody minutes. Do any of you understand how hard that would be in a team such as the Saints. Players who have one position to worry about struggle with our "structure and systems", let alone having to try and fit into multiple roles.

Part of me wants to see him go elsewhere.
His decision making is appalling. His instinct is non-existent.

Therefore, I don't think he'll be a genuinely good on-baller.

His best chance is as a Tom Lynch (Adelaide version) type forward.
But he can't kick, which is a problem.

He is not a Tom Lynch type. This is the problem. He is not a half forward and never will be. By the way, how did we go with him?? A perfect example of this clubs shitty development.

Decision making?? Let's not single him out. Have you watched the Saints this year?? I'll give more leeway to a poor decision if the player in question is trying to actually DO something. Some of our best passages of football over the last couple of weeks have involved Acres taking the game on. A solid stint on the ball would do him wonders. But obviously with our star studded midfield we have no room to develop guys in there

Oh, and instinct? Do you know what instinct is?? Its not a slow, calculated chip around the backline. He plays on instinct. Hence the brain farts. Harness it.

chico2001 · Post: # 1752921Post **chico2001** » Mon 27 Aug 2018 1:16pm

portosaint wrote: ↑Mon 27 Aug 2018 11:57am Very hard to get a gauge on someone who has played 90% of their games out of position. Blake's development has been stifled and its not his fault IMO.

He is a true centreman... A big one at that. He is actually our point of difference. He's not this utility that AR is trying to make him out to be. Put him in the guts, leave him there to develop, and watch his game grow. The kid doesn't know if he is Arthur or Martha!

He plays in a different position every 5 bloody minutes. Do any of you understand how hard that would be in a team such as the Saints. Players who have one position to worry about struggle with our "structure and systems", let alone having to try and fit into multiple roles.

Part of me wants to see him go elsewhere.

There is a massive difference in what the coaches think and the supporters think on Acres. Why is this? If he was as good as people make out then he would be playing in the centre then every game..no questions asked. The excuses seem to include injuries, played in the wrong position etc. If you are worth your salt you get the ball dont you? regardless of position. Keep hearing big bodied etc well use that big body to smash some small forwards out of the way or small backmen for that matter.