Finally an end to the Petracca/McCartin debate

[Crossy66]

With the season pretty much done and dusted, fair to say that the debate between whether we should have taken Petracca over Paddy at number one is over.
If we were to have a 2014 redraft, the answer would be neither. In fact i dont think either would make the top 10 after their first four seasons. Whilst i think both will be better next year, you can only judge them on their body of work so far.
I have had a go at doing a redraft and would be interested to see what others think. Here goes:

1. Isaac Heeney
2. Degoey
3. A Brayshaw
4. Lever
5. Touk Miller
6. Caleb Daniel
7. Mitch McGovern
8. Darcy Moore
9. Jack Steele
10. Neale Bullen

[BenLong#21]

The debate is over and the answer is De Goey.

[BenLong#21]

With the season pretty much done and dusted, fair to say that the debate between whether we should have taken Petracca over Paddy at number one is over.
If we were to have a 2014 redraft, the answer would be neither. In fact i dont think either would make the top 10 after their first four seasons. Whilst i think both will be better next year, you can only judge them on their body of work so far.
I have had a go at doing a redraft and would be interested to see what others think. Here goes:

1. Isaac Heeney
2. Degoey
3. A Brayshaw
4. Lever
5. Touk Miller
6. Caleb Daniel
7. Mitch McGovern
8. Darcy Moore
9. Jack Steele
10. Neale Bullen

Kyle Langford is very good. A possible star. 3 goals and 11 tackles in his last game.

[BenLong#21]

Maynard (De La Salle) + De Goey (St Kevins)
v
Goddard (delisted - Mlebourne Grammar) + Paddy (Geelong Grammar)

Collingwood reamed us not once but twice. Thrice if you include 2010.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.

[Crossy66]

Dees ended up doing ok from the 2014 draft.
Brayshaw, neale bullen, lever, oscar mcdonald, petracca

[Crossy66]

Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.

True. Just proves that there isn't much difference in the top 5 or so selections.
Btw, i think paddy will come good next year.

[Scollop]

Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.

True. Just proves that there isn't much difference in the top 5 or so selections.
Btw, i think paddy will come good next year.

You are just as likely to become a star if picked up as a rookie under the Sydney Swans football department as you are if you are a 2nd round pick

Just proves that development of footballers is just as important as their reputations and draft position when drafted as juniors

[saint-stu]

The debate is over and the answer is De Goey.

I would love to have DeGoey.

[Crossy66]

Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.

True. Just proves that there isn't much difference in the top 5 or so selections.
Btw, i think paddy will come good next year.

You are just as likely to become a star if picked up as a rookie under the Sydney Swans football department as you are if you are a 2nd round pick

Just proves that development of footballers is just as important as their reputations and draft position when drafted as juniors

100%

[wally]

Without starting the debate again just shows how hard it actually to pick talent.
I just checked 2013....
1 Boyd
2 Kelly
3 Billings
4 Bont
13 Cripps
18 Dunstan
19 Acres

I'd go 1 Kelly 2 Cripps

[Crossy66]

Without starting the debate again just shows how hard it actually to pick talent.
I just checked 2013....
1 Boyd
2 Kelly
3 Billings
4 Bont
13 Cripps
18 Dunstan
19 Acres

I'd go 1 Kelly 2 Cripps

The first rule to success is dont pick big blokes early in the draft.

[CURLY]

If DeGoey was at StKilda without the media protection of Eddie the media would have ruined him.

[BenLong#21]

Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.

Have you surveyed all 17 clubs?
You just made that % up out of thin air. You wouldnt have a clue. It could easily have been none of them.
Plenty of people in the media were saying that other clubs recruiters were aghast at us using pick 1 on them.
It was a head shaker for many at the time.

[cwrcyn]

Correct...and they would have pointed to our culture....that tired old line they trot out about us when more crap has happened at many other clubs

[Crossy66]

Around 75% of clubs would have taken Patrick if they had pick one. Probably a bit more. Doesn't matter anymore though.

Have you surveyed all 17 clubs?
You just made that % up out of thin air. You wouldnt have a clue. It could easily have been none of them.
Plenty of people in the media were saying that other clubs recruiters were aghast at us using pick 1 on them.
It was a head shaker for many at the time.
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A well worn topic. Facts are that all clubs had pertracca and mcCartin one and two. I recall most has petracca at one but after the tom boyd trade, and the impending retirement of nick, most understood the logic. But the whole point of the thread is that none were right

[freely]

it's also the reason why clubs try to check out a player's character - not to make sure he's from a good home or went to the right school but to try to find players that will work their butts off. Cos whatever the quality of our development programme, can be sure that the players who work will get better and the ones that don't, won't.

[bigred]

I don't understand...

How is this debate over?

[skeptic]

I think what was reported at the time was that 15-16 clubs would have taken Petracca first

[BenLong#21]

I think what was reported at the time was that 15-16 clubs would have taken Petracca first

Yep.

[BenLong#21]

it's also the reason why clubs try to check out a player's character - not to make sure he's from a good home or went to the right school but to try to find players that will work their butts off. Cos whatever the quality of our development programme, can be sure that the players who work will get better and the ones that don't, won't.

Paddys body shape tells you all you need to know about that.

[Moods]

The debate is over and the answer is De Goey.

I would love to have DeGoey.

Go to the thread from near the start of the year. When Degooey wasn’t contracted and we were looking at him. The amount of numb skulls on here who didn’t want a bar of him because of a couple of indescrepancies was ridiculous.

[Linton Lodger]

What did we see in the Prelims, deep finals on the weekend?

The big key forwards reigned supreme! Kennedy, Darling, J Riewoldt and Cox (who 12 mths ago most experts deemed never good enough to be an AFL player). Where did Richmond's small forwards go, how did Melbourne go without Hogan? The Bulldogs won in 2016 when Boyd played the only good games he's ever played.

Prelims and GFs are a different game to the rest and you need big key forwards. That's why you always draft the key forward if you don't have one and that's why we drafted Paddy. If we wanted to take a mid, then Brayshaw was the man, then we still would have needed to find a key forward. Paddy's got far more to build on than Mason Cox.

[saint-stu]

The debate is over and the answer is De Goey.

I would love to have DeGoey.

Go to the thread from near the start of the year. When Degooey wasn’t contracted and we were looking at him. The amount of numb skulls on here who didn’t want a bar of him because of a couple of indescrepancies was ridiculous.

Yes I know. I was hoping we would get him then, but no chance with the way the team is going. I'm just hoping whoever we bring in next year makes enough difference for players to start considering the saints again.

[Impatient Sainter]

Yep its finalised - they are both shyte and shouldnt have been in the top 10 of their draft.