real or over reaction

[terry smith rules]

Real - our kicking for goal was terrible

Over reaction -- given the number of scoring shots and inside 50s and the fact port kicked them from everywhere, was the final difference a true indication

Real - the complete over reaction of many on here to today, anyone who has played serious sport would know how hard it is to train let alone compete that soon after illness, running in the heat and humidity with impaired breathing (from illness) is really really hard...

The reality is that Acres would have played and probably Young out for Geary

then we get a report of illness to Billings, savage and mckenzie, yet it is marsh and mckenzie who miss. No doubt Billings and Savage were not right. Selectors probably had to weigh up whether to play those two at 75% (?) or play Paton and Hind (not in their class and only landing 24 or so hours earlier)

So the reality was that 5 of our best 22 that travelled for today were either out or not right, and how many others were affected that we did not hear about

No side would have been able to cope today with that amount of disruption

Real - some supporters have unrealistic expectations and then don't deal with the outcome well

fqf

[Life Long Saint]

Real: Our poor disposal over the years has not improved and shows absolutely no sign of doing so.
Real: Our poor player development continues. Recruit skilled players and fail to develop them in the same way that other clubs develop their talent.

Overreaction: The belief that we are on track for finals in the foreseeable future.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Yep for OP. Great post but some supporters can't keep their emotions in check or think rationally after a thumping which is hopefully our first and last for the year. They need to cool their heels for 48 hours and then look back at the China game objectively. If only...but the next 4-6 weeks will say a lot about the Saints in 2019. The club have a week off to review, get fit again and over the illness, gather their thoughts and plan an assault on the second half of the season. Guess we'll see what happens.

Stuff knows how some of these people handle the difficulties and disappointments that crop up in every day life also.

[samuraisaint]

Yep for OP. Great post but some supporters can't keep their emotions in check or think rationally after a thumping which is hopefully our first and last for the year. They need to cool their heels for 48 hours and then look back at the China game objectively. If only...but the next 4-6 weeks will say a lot about the Saints in 2019. The club have a week off to review, get fit again and over the illness, gather their thoughts and plan an assault on the second half of the season. Guess we'll see what happens.

Stuff knows how some of these people handle the difficulties and disappointments that crop up in every day life also.

Geelong at Geelong, Adelaide in Adelaide, North in Hobart, and Sydney at the SCG to come this season. All tough games. We'd want to bring greater effort, or at least be better prepared. I heard that in three of their last four matches Port failed to kicked a single goal in each of their first quarters. Today they kicked five!
It was also their highest score against anyone for two years.

I appreciate several of our players were very unwell, but this game is strongly reminiscent of a lot of games we have played since 2013.

[WellardSaint]

Against the Filth, we had 80% in our F50 in one qtr, but couldn't beg borrow or steal a goal.
Then they blew us away in the final stanza.
And today...(repeat the above 2 lines)

groundhog day. And has been on and off for a few years now, hey.
Don't expect this to improve by magic, there is something seriously amiss down at RSEA Park.

[The OtherThommo]

Yep for OP. Great post but some supporters can't keep their emotions in check or think rationally after a thumping which is hopefully our first and last for the year. They need to cool their heels for 48 hours and then look back at the China game objectively. If only...but the next 4-6 weeks will say a lot about the Saints in 2019. The club have a week off to review, get fit again and over the illness, gather their thoughts and plan an assault on the second half of the season. Guess we'll see what happens.

Stuff knows how some of these people handle the difficulties and disappointments that crop up in every day life also.

And, some of we supporters don't, I repeat don't, succumb to unchecked emotions as a first and only response, but actually reference the recent history of the club's management of short term adversity, and wonder what it is about the management processes that see us repeat the same dumb mistakes time after time, ad nauseam.

As for how 'some of these people' handle the 'd & d's that crop up in every day life - what in the f*** would you know about how 'these people' cope, Teddy, you 2 bob philosopher, you?

"These people" - excellent!

[fugazi]

We were awful today.
No doubt the illness and poor preparation played a part of it. Chins were dropping before half time.
What it revealed was how ordinary the structures are and how easily we can be dominated by a side as soon as our effort drops.
5 years of coaching has produced this standard.
Let's openly and honestly face what is obvious , Richo has tried and failed as a coach.
We are no better than when he took over.
Several players have failed to develop or have gone backwards under his leadership.
Ratten and Slater seem to have made a modest impact but the senior coach needs to go.
His time is up, we should finish him up and move on.

[Moods]

The easiest way to cope is to do what I did. I turned on at 1/4 time of the game and switched off not long into the 3rd quarter.

Amazing how much calmer I am about the whole thing. Problem with this is that you become disengaged with your team. Far better than screaming at the TV all afternoon though

[Yorkeys]

Well that's a great relief. From watching on TV I thought the early missed shots, fumbling and incomprehensible decision making showed we are a poor side poorly coached. But it seems we can get a doctors certificate for all that. I was also, apparently prematurely, a little disappointed that the game unfortunately demonstrated that the Saints will not make finals for yet another year and that it disgraced us on a huge stage, again. It is a comfort to know that can just be parked, sure it can. After all it was only 70 points and Port put the cue in the rack. Oh and why did Port kick so accurately, lets think about that - system? forward craft? picking forwards will skill? On refection it was clearly the dragon dance it had performed for it the night before. And Port had to Fly ADL-TAS-ADL-MLB-Shanghai in a week and apparently were able to field a fit team. Unfair advantage, got used to jet lag and had incredible luck with a healthy squad. Before I read this OP I was starting to get concerned. But what's the advice: don't get emotional, the same people that have been responsible for the current situation will think hard and come up with a cunning plan in a week or so; its unrealistic to hope your side doesn't disgrace itself and continually miss finals; and how do such emotional people cope? Well possibly some address problems and try to improve the situation by action not lighting candles to their ancestors and pretending its just bad luck.

[The Fireman]

yep let's all stick our heads in the sand.

[The_Dud]

If players aren’t fit to play then DON’T PICK THEM!

How many times does this need to bite us in the ass before Cho learns?

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

[saintsRrising]

The ok is a believer in that mediocre is acceptable.

The club went over ill prepared and to Ted this is great.

To others this is why we are not as good as we should be.

When Richo and his ilk are gone we may turn the corner.

Till them hàlf arsed preparation will be the norm and is considered to be ok.

[The_Dud]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

Are you serious?

They were in China already when they discovered the sickness and it obviously spread to a number of players. Flying overseas suddenly on a Saturday is not a simple task when you play on Sunday. The two emergencies barely got there in time.

Acres gone already.
Marsh and McKenzie late withdrawals.
Billings and Savage well down on their usual output.
Ratten and Richo sick too.
Word is a number of other players were not a 100%.

[The Fireman]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

Are you serious?

They were in China already when they discovered the sickness and it obviously spread to a number of players. Flying overseas suddenly on a Saturday is not a simple task when you play on Sunday. The two emergencies barely got there in time.

Acres gone already.
Marsh and McKenzie late withdrawals.
Billings and Savage well down on their usual output.
Ratten and Richo sick too.
Word is a number of other players were not a 100%.

we knew this tripe was going to be rolled out before the game started and by the usual people. Never ending white noise.
Can't wait for the excuses explaining the rest of this horrendous year.
We need big changes soon or this garbage will continue to roll out.
I'm sick too...sick of the bull$hit

[CURLY]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

It was actually more than half the side had a strain of gastro.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

What...so no one was violently ill or not a 100%?

If you think this FACT didn't affect the final result, the output of the entire playing group and game prep and co-ordination then you are terminally braindead. It's not an excuse for the entire performance in China but it's a FACT that needs to be added into the equation as to why they got beat by 70 points.

Horrendous year?
We are 5-6. Horrendous my arse. Look up the meaning of the word in a paperback dictionary old mate. Carlton and Melbourne are having horrendous years.

[The_Dud]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

Are you serious?

They were in China already when they discovered the sickness and it obviously spread to a number of players. Flying overseas suddenly on a Saturday is not a simple task when you play on Sunday. The two emergencies barely got there in time.

Acres gone already.
Marsh and McKenzie late withdrawals.
Billings and Savage well down on their usual output.
Ratten and Richo sick too.
Word is a number of other players were not a 100%.

They knew Acres was sick on Friday. Should have known these kinds of things can spread especially as they’ve all been in close quarters. Should have had a bunch of emergencies on the plane Friday, arriving with plenty of time Friday night / Saturday.

Unfortunately it was amateur hour again. If you cross the white line you’re saying you’re 100% right to go, no excuses.

[The_Dud]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

It was actually more than half the side had a strain of gastro.

Says who? Show me the evidence.

Or are you saying Richo, players and club officials all lied to us?

[CURLY]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

Are you serious?

They were in China already when they discovered the sickness and it obviously spread to a number of players. Flying overseas suddenly on a Saturday is not a simple task when you play on Sunday. The two emergencies barely got there in time.

Acres gone already.
Marsh and McKenzie late withdrawals.
Billings and Savage well down on their usual output.
Ratten and Richo sick too.
Word is a number of other players were not a 100%.

They knew Acres was sick on Friday. Should have known these kinds of things can spread especially as they’ve all been in close quarters. Should have had a bunch of emergencies on the plane Friday, arriving with plenty of time Friday night / Saturday.

Unfortunately it was amateur hour again. If you cross the white line you’re saying you’re 100% right to go, no excuses.

You live in a fantasy land.

[CURLY]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

It was actually more than half the side had a strain of gastro.

Says who? Show me the evidence.

Or are you saying Richo, players and club officials all lied to us?

Straight from the horses mouth. Call to the captain Sunday morning asking about the food poisioning and he said it wasn't food poisioning it was gastro.

[The_Dud]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

It was actually more than half the side had a strain of gastro.

Says who? Show me the evidence.

Or are you saying Richo, players and club officials all lied to us?

Straight from the horses mouth. Call to the captain Sunday morning asking about the food poisioning and he said it wasn't food poisioning it was gastro.

Link or GTFO.

"We're ready to go ... Richo and the other guys who missed yesterday's captain's run are fully recovered, as expected," said Saints football boss Simon Lethlean.

[CURLY]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

It was actually more than half the side had a strain of gastro.

Says who? Show me the evidence.

Or are you saying Richo, players and club officials all lied to us?

Straight from the horses mouth. Call to the captain Sunday morning asking about the food poisioning and he said it wasn't food poisioning it was gastro.

Link or GTFO.

"We're ready to go ... Richo and the other guys who missed yesterday's captain's run are fully recovered, as expected," said Saints football boss Simon Lethlean.

Lol yes I'm sure he was going to come out and say we are full of gastro and the blokes are as flat as s*** carters hat.

[The_Dud]

Half the side wouldn't have taken the field then Dud.

You do realise they played in China...its not a quick trip up the Nepean Hwy to Marvel Stadium.

Half the side? Over reaction. Any evidence to back that up?

Wasn’t Acres discovered to be sick on arrival at the airport? That’s plenty of time to figure out a contingency plan and fly out a bunch of emergencies. Or they could just cross their fingers and hope no one else gets sick

It was actually more than half the side had a strain of gastro.

Says who? Show me the evidence.

Or are you saying Richo, players and club officials all lied to us?

Straight from the horses mouth. Call to the captain Sunday morning asking about the food poisioning and he said it wasn't food poisioning it was gastro.

Link or GTFO.

"We're ready to go ... Richo and the other guys who missed yesterday's captain's run are fully recovered, as expected," said Saints football boss Simon Lethlean.

Lol yes I'm sure he was going to come out and say we are full of gastro and the blokes are as flat as s*** carters hat.

But the captain on the morning of the game comes out and says half the team has gastro?

Link or GTFO.