Whats more annoying is that

BigMart · Post: # 1065441Post **BigMart** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 12:53am

Last weeks rising star was jasper pittard.....why does that piss me off??

bobmurray · Tue 26 Apr 2011 12:57am

Pick 16 in the 2009 draft..

the one we wasted on Lovett

BigMart · Post: # 1065443Post **BigMart** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 1:00am

Bingo.....

I was hoping he'd be a dud.....but of course not...

ashjam · Post: # 1065444Post **ashjam** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 1:02am

Watch his kick in against Gold Coast with 2 minutes to go on the weekend and you will be less pissed off!

SainterK · Post: # 1065445Post **SainterK** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 1:02am

Defender?

Hindsight call...

Not really what we needed at the time though was he?

BigMart · Post: # 1065450Post **BigMart** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 1:07am

A bad kick out.....happens, not sure why a second gamer took it??

Watch his entire game....and the week before....he's a player

BigMart · Post: # 1065451Post **BigMart** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 1:09am

Defender, would have been better than a ****wit

MCG-Unit · Post: # 1065455Post **MCG-Unit** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 1:14am

Pittard is a player, no doubt. A lightly built running type. Don't know whether that's all they needed - but it's what they went for this year with Cripps, Crocker, Ledger and Curren

Apparently he might have been a Saints supporter as well

plugger66 · Post: # 1065482Post **plugger66** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 9:36am

I always laugh when they say you could have got this player had you kept your pick. How wouldanyone know who we would have picked next. BM you always say Howard was a waste at pick 27 or whatever he was but if we traded that pick I take it you think the club we traded to would have taken him as well.

Mr Magic · Post: # 1065491Post **Mr Magic** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 10:01am

Who was taken picks 1-15 in that draft?

Who was taken picks 17-25?

How have they all 'gone' so far?

If we're going to assess the relative merits of individual draft picks don't we need to view them in context of who was taken befare and after them?

BigMart · Post: # 1065502Post **BigMart** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 10:35am

It just further illustrates the mistake......likelyhood is that we would drafted another, even better likelyhood, a hack.....

Interesting exercise to look at all trades, and what the picks traded away have done....
Then in reverse what players have done compared to picks you traded for

Aaron Hamill vs darryl Wakelin vs Luke livingston/ sam cranage In a 3 way

Fraser Gehrig vs Daniel Kerr/David Sierakowski

Barry Hall vs Nick Dal Santo

Matty Lappin vs James Begley

Barry Brooks vs Peter Everitt Vs steven Salopek vs Joel Perry in a 4 way

Jason Gram vs Matthew Moody

Generally it all comes around about square....really its swings and roundabouts.....

We have had a couple of big losses

If we di not trading at all

Our side could have been in 2004

B: Hudghton.......S.Wakelin.......Baker

HB: J.Smith......D.Wakelin.........A.Jones

C: M.Lappin......L. Hayes.........X.Clarke

HF: S.Powell.......N.Riewoldt.......dp

F: S.Milne........B.Hall..........Dp

Int: J.Peckett.....A.Thompson........J.Koschitzke......B.Voss

Emerg...J.Blake......T.Schwarze......D.Wulf.....L.Montagna....R.Clarke......L.Fisher......M.Ferguson......J.Houlihan......C.Oliver......B.Moyle......A.Murray....M.Maguire....

SaintPav · Post: # 1065503Post **SaintPav** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 10:39am

BigMart wrote:It just further illustrates the mistake......likelyhood is that we would drafted another, even better likelyhood, a hack.....

Interesting exercise to look at all trades, and what the picks traded away have done....
Then in reverse what players have done compared to picks you traded for

Aaron Hamill vs darryl Wakelin vs Luke livingston/ sam cranage In a 3 way

Fraser Gehrig vs Daniel Kerr/David Sierakowski

Barry Hall vs Nick Dal Santo

Matty Lappin vs James Begley

Barry Brooks vs Peter Everitt Vs steven Salopek vs Joel Perry in a 4 way

Jason Gram vs Matthew Moody

Generally it all comes around about square....really its swings and roundabouts.....

We have had a couple of big losses

If we di not trading at all

Our side could have been in 2004

B: Hudghton.......S.Wakelin.......Baker

HB: J.Smith......D.Wakelin.........A.Jones

C: M.Lappin......L. Hayes.........X.Clarke

HF: S.Powell.......N.Riewoldt.......dp

F: S.Milne........B.Hall..........Dp

Int: J.Peckett.....A.Thompson........J.Koschitzke......B.Voss

Emerg...J.Blake......T.Schwarze......D.Wulf.....L.Montagna....R.Clarke......L.Fisher......M.Ferguson......J.Houlihan......C.Oliver......B.Moyle......A.Murray....M.Maguire....

who is dp? dip sh!t?

Eastern · Post: # 1065504Post **Eastern** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 10:44am

Every time I read anything about Lovett I think of the character references given to/about him by James Hird, Kevin Sheedy and John Quinn !!

matrix · Post: # 1065547Post **matrix** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 1:48pm

every time i here/see wulf i think about that missed dolly lol

satchmo · Post: # 1065548Post **satchmo** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 1:58pm

Eastern wrote:Every time I read anything about Lovett I think of the character references given to/about him by James Hird, Kevin Sheedy and John Quinn !!

This.

I hope they present as character witnesses for him.

satchmo · Post: # 1065550Post **satchmo** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 2:01pm

Don't forget we picked up Luke Beveridge cheaply. And you all know what team his old man barracks for? (hint: there is no red in their stinking jumper)

joffaboy · Post: # 1065551Post **joffaboy** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 2:06pm

matrix wrote:every time i here/see wulf i think about that missed dolly lol

If he had of kicked it out on the full we could have got goddard AND wells in that draft.

Can you imaginre how Wells would have developed in our mid noughties team with Harvey, Hayes, Ball, and Dal santo to feed off?

If it wasn't for Wulf we would have had three premierships by now

matrix · Post: # 1065554Post **matrix** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 2:14pm

what an interesting thought.....
its funny how little things like that can/could change so much in the future

SaintPav · Post: # 1065556Post **SaintPav** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 2:19pm

SaintPav wrote:
BigMart wrote:It just further illustrates the mistake......likelyhood is that we would drafted another, even better likelyhood, a hack.....

Interesting exercise to look at all trades, and what the picks traded away have done....
Then in reverse what players have done compared to picks you traded for

Aaron Hamill vs darryl Wakelin vs Luke livingston/ sam cranage In a 3 way

Fraser Gehrig vs Daniel Kerr/David Sierakowski

Barry Hall vs Nick Dal Santo

Matty Lappin vs James Begley

Barry Brooks vs Peter Everitt Vs steven Salopek vs Joel Perry in a 4 way

Jason Gram vs Matthew Moody

Generally it all comes around about square....really its swings and roundabouts.....

We have had a couple of big losses

If we di not trading at all

Our side could have been in 2004

B: Hudghton.......S.Wakelin.......Baker

HB: J.Smith......D.Wakelin.........A.Jones

C: M.Lappin......L. Hayes.........X.Clarke

HF: S.Powell.......N.Riewoldt.......dp

F: S.Milne........B.Hall..........Dp

Int: J.Peckett.....A.Thompson........J.Koschitzke......B.Voss

Emerg...J.Blake......T.Schwarze......D.Wulf.....L.Montagna....R.Clarke......L.Fisher......M.Ferguson......J.Houlihan......C.Oliver......B.Moyle......A.Murray....M.Maguire....
who is dp? dip sh!t?

Dipak Patel?

Dr Spaceman · Tue 26 Apr 2011 2:28pm

SaintPav wrote:
SaintPav wrote:
BigMart wrote:It just further illustrates the mistake......likelyhood is that we would drafted another, even better likelyhood, a hack.....

Interesting exercise to look at all trades, and what the picks traded away have done....
Then in reverse what players have done compared to picks you traded for

Aaron Hamill vs darryl Wakelin vs Luke livingston/ sam cranage In a 3 way

Fraser Gehrig vs Daniel Kerr/David Sierakowski

Barry Hall vs Nick Dal Santo

Matty Lappin vs James Begley

Barry Brooks vs Peter Everitt Vs steven Salopek vs Joel Perry in a 4 way

Jason Gram vs Matthew Moody

Generally it all comes around about square....really its swings and roundabouts.....

We have had a couple of big losses

If we di not trading at all

Our side could have been in 2004

B: Hudghton.......S.Wakelin.......Baker

HB: J.Smith......D.Wakelin.........A.Jones

C: M.Lappin......L. Hayes.........X.Clarke

HF: S.Powell.......N.Riewoldt.......dp

F: S.Milne........B.Hall..........Dp

Int: J.Peckett.....A.Thompson........J.Koschitzke......B.Voss

Emerg...J.Blake......T.Schwarze......D.Wulf.....L.Montagna....R.Clarke......L.Fisher......M.Ferguson......J.Houlihan......C.Oliver......B.Moyle......A.Murray....M.Maguire....
who is dp? dip sh!t?
Dipak Patel?

Wasn't he a Key Position Backman

Dr Spaceman · Tue 26 Apr 2011 3:18pm

plugger66 wrote:I always laugh when they say you could have got this player had you kept your pick. How wouldanyone know who we would have picked next. BM you always say Howard was a waste at pick 27 or whatever he was but if we traded that pick I take it you think the club we traded to would have taken him as well.

Spot on.

matrix · Post: # 1065578Post **matrix** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 4:35pm

shouldve drafted bally back

god knows how he got thru to 30

Con Gorozidis · Tue 26 Apr 2011 5:07pm

the swings and roundabouts theory peeves me off. so does the oh who cares about pittard cos maybe we would have got a hack anyway.

clearly its not an exact science. but clearly drafting and recruiting matter and have a significant effect. if not al teams would be equal all the time. clearly they arent.

fact is 17 on lovett was a crap decision. there is no indication that he wouldnt have gone through to 32 or later anyway. we still could have got him later.

also. pick 30 for ball. who knows. maybe a hack maybe a gun. dunno. but surely the odds are improved by having a pick against getting nothing?

its all about doing ur research and getting the best chance of success.

how much research went into the fergus watts pick? not much!

why did we think essendon people were reliable sources of info for us anyway? their duty was to get the highest pick they could for the bombers. which they did. did they sucker us on pick 17? i think so yes.

we probably could have used 48 or whatever on him anyhow.

Junction Oval · Tue 26 Apr 2011 6:06pm

Here's a "real time" one to contemplate - Luke Ball for Wellingham

Not sure of the "behind the scenes goings on," but to let Ball go for nothing was a no brainer for me. With Lenny now out, it shows how the "recruiters" stuffed things up yet again.

Mr Magic · Post: # 1065603Post **Mr Magic** » Tue 26 Apr 2011 6:12pm

I don't believe Wellingham was ever offerd to us for Ball. He was offered to NM for their pick #21/22 which they would have given to us to trade to Western Bulldogs for Everitt.

We apparently asked for Nathna Brown from Collingwood but they said no.

So once again 'urban myth' becomes fact in the eyes of those looking to substantiate a pov.

We didn;t enter into the trade discussions looking to unload Ball for nothing to Collingwood.
We stood our ground and got shafted by him, his management adn Collingwood.

And btw, I think the CLub always hoped/thought that Armitage would be the 'in and under' assistance for Lenny, once Ball walked.
Maybe they felt 'covered' in that position?