stress, intensity and trying too hard

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stress, intensity and trying too hard

Post: # 1069271Post terry smith rules »

I have been thinking about this for a while now and this is my theory.

#12 and 18 are just way too stressed and tense to both play and lead the team.

There is a fine line between intensity been good and bad, the bad brings about trying too hard (anyone who plays/ed sport should understand that). Look at a 100 metre runner who tenses up too much

Goddard seems almost in a rage everytime he runs out, raging against the opposition, himself and his teammates... it is not healthy

That look on Roos face before every game, has now gone on too long. There is only so many times he can gather the team in and rant and rave and be so intense.

Why is this bad for the team? Well the stress and intensity rubs off on them but the wrong way.

They seem to be scared and frightened of up setting these two and therefore they are never relaxed (witness our goal kicking skills)

Obviously (or not) they should have had counselling after last year's gf, but how they are playing and relating to others now, it would seem not to be working.

Look at some of the great leaders in footy Kirk, Hodge, Voss etc they played hard but relaxed and they engaged their team mates, not stressed them out.


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Post: # 1069288Post Con Gorozidis »

i agree 100% .

stressed. a flock of albatross around their necks. worried about making errors. its not healthy. any one who plays sport at any level knows this isnt the way to get optimum performance.

this is why i have been advocating for a change of leadership. not that roo has done anything wrong. just for the sake of refreshing and chilling out and for him to just go back to playing footy. not unlike punter at the end of his tenure. he was just stressing out too much.
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Post: # 1069290Post busso mick »

Some good points there TSR. It will be interesting to see how we play if we fall out of finals contention. My guess is they will play with freedom and flair and prove your points correct. Sometimes you have to go back to go forward along a different path, particularly after our "up" period of the past few years. Maybe a trip to the cinema is in order :wink:


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Post: # 1069298Post Maxstar22 »

So how do you change this?

How does a manager do this in your average everyday office/worksite?

While I understand a footy club is very different to an office, could there be somethng in getting some sort of "expert" from another area/field to "have a chat" to the boys??....seems to me the message from the coaches and another support personnel isn't getting through.


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Post: # 1069301Post Thinline »

It will happen organically.

At some point something will happen that instills faith in each other, belief in the strategy and all of a sudden things will go pop.

It may be against Carlton this week. Of course it may be Round 15 in 2015 too. But still, it, will happen.


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Post: # 1069321Post gringo »

I played basketball for a long time and nothing messes with your head more than losing when you have been a good team for a long time. When your stocks slide you want to celebrate wins over crap teams but you know you shouldn't even need to try. You don't enjoy the cheap win like a bottom club does. The only way to stop that malaise is to take a big scalp and show yourself that you still have it. Just smash the f%$@#ng Blues and you will feel AWESOME.


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Post: # 1069394Post Sainternist »

gringo wrote:You don't enjoy the cheap win like a bottom club does. The only way to stop that malaise is to take a big scalp and show yourself that you still have it. Just smash the f%$@#ng Blues and you will feel AWESOME.
THIS!

Carlton are due for a loss anyway. They got lucky against Sydney and Essendon.

Why not?


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Post: # 1069402Post Con Gorozidis »

Maxstar22 wrote:So how do you change this?

How does a manager do this in your average everyday office/worksite?

While I understand a footy club is very different to an office, could there be somethng in getting some sort of "expert" from another area/field to "have a chat" to the boys??....seems to me the message from the coaches and another support personnel isn't getting through.
holiday to vegas? oh actually. no that didnt work.
day spa? day at a fun park?


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Post: # 1069405Post gringo »

movies and Bonnie Doon....


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Post: # 1069406Post Con Gorozidis »

gringo wrote:movies and Bonnie Doon....
yep. the serenity. never fails.


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Post: # 1069412Post Teflon »

gringo wrote:I played basketball for a long time and nothing messes with your head more than losing when you have been a good team for a long time. When your stocks slide you want to celebrate wins over crap teams but you know you shouldn't even need to try. You don't enjoy the cheap win like a bottom club does. The only way to stop that malaise is to take a big scalp and show yourself that you still have it. Just smash the f%$@#ng Blues and you will feel AWESOME.
good post.

we need a scalp. confidence is a funny thing.


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Post: # 1069413Post bigcarl »

Teflon wrote:
gringo wrote:I played basketball for a long time and nothing messes with your head more than losing when you have been a good team for a long time. When your stocks slide you want to celebrate wins over crap teams but you know you shouldn't even need to try. You don't enjoy the cheap win like a bottom club does. The only way to stop that malaise is to take a big scalp and show yourself that you still have it. Just smash the f%$@#ng Blues and you will feel AWESOME.
good post.

we need a scalp. confidence is a funny thing.
Christ would I love to see that.

Rumours of St Kilda's demise have been greatly exaggerated etc, etc.

Make it happen.


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Post: # 1069417Post ralphsmith »

It is the struggle within folks.

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It all becomes so infinitely complex to solve. The slump.

But it can all change for the better in the blink of an eye.

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Post: # 1069427Post iceman »

To me Goddard looks like someone who has run 10 marathons in the last 2 months...

Meaning he may well be fit but driving himself so hard that he hasn't been fresh. Carrying a sore body and fighting through it...

I've got no basis for this, but his energy levels are really lacking. I thought maybe the bye week would freshen him up, from what I understand they pretty much trained through though.

Might need a trip to bonnie doon :wink:


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Post: # 1069435Post Dr Spaceman »

Con Gorozidis wrote:
gringo wrote:movies and Bonnie Doon....
yep. the serenity. never fails.
After the last two seasons I just wish we had something to put in the pool room :cry:


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