Stange umpiring?

spert · Post: # 1103153Post **spert** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 2:38pm

Saw a couple of strange decisions yesterday which went Port's way, to do with head-high tackles, and that is where the player is leaning over the ball, or is leaning over with the ball in possesion, then goes forward with the head into the front-on body of the stationary Saints player then gets a free for head high contact. I think Milne was one that got a free against, but saw this again later. I wouldn't think running into a stationary player with your head, was a free of any kind??

bergsone · Post: # 1103156Post **bergsone** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 2:46pm

Saw it in other games as well,bend down pick up ball and push forward head first,dangerous practise.No contact to head maybe should read no contact using head.Becomming a real or should I say more of a grey area

GrumpyOne · Post: # 1103158Post **GrumpyOne** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 2:48pm

Interesting one...... we must protect the head, but what do we do with those who use the head as a battering ram in packs?

Perhaps the rule should be interpreted as where the tacklers hands are rather than where the tacklees head is?

Mr Magic · Post: # 1103174Post **Mr Magic** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 3:07pm

I believe that Gieschen has highlighted this particular decision previously?

IIRC he stated that it should not be a free kick if the player is stationary (ie not moving forward)

If the player with the ball contacts the opposition player below the kness then surely it would be a free kick to the 'standing' player for 'below the knee contact'?

I wonder what would happen if a player was moving backwards and his opponent 'dived' head first into him, causing contact above the neck?

dragit · Post: # 1103180Post **dragit** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 3:27pm

Mr Magic wrote: If the player with the ball contacts the opposition player below the kness then surely it would be a free kick to the 'standing' player for 'below the knee contact'?

Is there a rule for 'below the knee contact'?
tripping?

prwilkinson · Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:34pm

Stange...............

Mr Magic · Post: # 1103236Post **Mr Magic** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:36pm

dragit wrote:
Mr Magic wrote: If the player with the ball contacts the opposition player below the kness then surely it would be a free kick to the 'standing' player for 'below the knee contact'?
Is there a rule for 'below the knee contact'?
tripping?

It relates back to tackling, nothing above the shoulders or below the knees.
Any contact above the shoulders, whether a tackle or not, is free kicked.
What about below the knees?

dragit · Post: # 1103249Post **dragit** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:45pm

Mr Magic wrote:
dragit wrote:
Mr Magic wrote: If the player with the ball contacts the opposition player below the kness then surely it would be a free kick to the 'standing' player for 'below the knee contact'?
Is there a rule for 'below the knee contact'?
tripping?
It relates back to tackling, nothing above the shoulders or below the knees.
Any contact above the shoulders, whether a tackle or not, is free kicked.
What about below the knees?

The head is sacrosanct as they say, not sure they are too worried about shins and ankles though. A low tackle is a trip obviously, but the guy holding the ball diving head-first into a pack probably won't be pinged for a tripâ€¦

Hurricane · Post: # 1103251Post **Hurricane** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:46pm

In the thread title you mispelt the word "garbage" just thaught id point that out

BANG BANG

Mr Magic · Post: # 1103263Post **Mr Magic** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 5:57pm

dragit wrote:
Mr Magic wrote:
dragit wrote:
Mr Magic wrote: If the player with the ball contacts the opposition player below the kness then surely it would be a free kick to the 'standing' player for 'below the knee contact'?
Is there a rule for 'below the knee contact'?
tripping?
It relates back to tackling, nothing above the shoulders or below the knees.
Any contact above the shoulders, whether a tackle or not, is free kicked.
What about below the knees?
The head is sacrosanct as they say, not sure they are too worried about shins and ankles though. A low tackle is a trip obviously, but the guy holding the ball diving head-first into a pack probably won't be pinged for a tripâ€¦

It's actually quite an interesting point you raise.
During a 'push/shove' no free kick seems to get paid until somebody gets 'touched' above the shoulders.

What is the free kick for?
Which rule has been infringed?

gringo · Post: # 1103265Post **gringo** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 6:04pm

It has been a free most times when a player going for the ball barrels in causing the contact, they usually get rewarded. the annoying thing is Schnieder got hit in the head while bending forward to pick up the ball and got told he initiated by ducking? I think you would say that could be clarified by don't clap umpires or you will never get free kicks awarded.

Mr Magic · Post: # 1103273Post **Mr Magic** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 6:23pm

gringo wrote:It has been a free most times when a player going for the ball barrels in causing the contact, they usually get rewarded. the annoying thing is Schnieder got hit in the head while bending forward to pick up the ball and got told he initiated by ducking? I think you would say that could be clarified by don't clap umpires or you will never get free kicks awarded.

It's actually become a joke now.
Even commentators have raised the 'umpire clapping' when discussing blatant free kicks not being paid to Schneider.

Staggering that all umpires can seemingly be in consistantly bad postions so as to not see these blatant infringements against him.

gringo · Post: # 1103281Post **gringo** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 6:34pm

I know plugger will say that the umpires we get are because we are crap and don't play block busters, but the umpiring is worse this season than any other and not just our games. That patch of umpiring where the ball didn't seem too get back into play for about 10 minutes because of a multitude of questionable frees and 50 MPs. The North game last week where we seemed to infringe before making the contest, forward 50 frees against us and general unbalanced decisions just make me think they are on the take. Gieshen is responsible and his patronising review that justifies even the most stupid call and concedes on one trivial decision to make them look fair.

bobmurray · Post: # 1103343Post **bobmurray** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 8:40pm

Hurricane wrote:In the thread title you mispelt the word "garbage" just thaught id point that out

BANG BANG

yeah...i think it says gabage

stinger · Post: # 1103348Post **stinger** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 9:14pm

free kick count...18 to 30......says it all really.......and the schneider fiasco is now beyond a joke and is bordering on the ridiculous.....if you read this giesh...get f****** real ....

satchmo · Post: # 1103360Post **satchmo** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 9:36pm

stinger wrote:free kick count...18 to 30......says it all really.......and the schneider fiasco is now beyond a joke and is bordering on the ridiculous.....if you read this giesh...get f****** real ....

In fairness to giesh, he is just an impotent puppet.

Solar · Post: # 1103375Post **Solar** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 10:14pm

The strange ones were

Two port players have the ball, chips holding the ball against one. Chips is called holding the ball against him despite not actually having the ball. Fisher just stares in disbelief?

Free kick to port, whistle goes, port player decides to take the advantage, gets pressured and his handpass is turned over. Umpire brings it back, not because play stopped, not because the player taking the advantage was under pressure..... no it was because "the player did not hear the whistle".....HUH?

Also have you seen a match where one team not only dominates the clearances, the inside 50's and scoreboard but is also on the end of some thuggury and yet has half the free kicks???

Oh and the whole schneider and milne thing is a joke. Blight on the game. Up there with staging.

Junction Oval · Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:06pm

With the relentless tackling on the person with the ball, Umpires are under "enormous" pressure to make calls and clearly, they make many mistakes, some a lot more costly than others! They seem to be in a mindset of "adjudicating" on every move, every second. At this rate, they can only make mistakes! For them it's a "fear of failure" mentality, which inevitably breaks down.

What can the AFL do

My view is for Umpires to take a "less technical" approach and let the game flow. In that way, they can focus on the major mistakes, which results in fewer free kicks, but "warranted" ones I would think. As supporters, I we can live with that - "the spirit of the game."

stinger · Post: # 1103403Post **stinger** » Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:09pm

Solar wrote:The strange ones were

Two port players have the ball, chips holding the ball against one. Chips is called holding the ball against him despite not actually having the ball. Fisher just stares in disbelief?

Free kick to port, whistle goes, port player decides to take the advantage, gets pressured and his handpass is turned over. Umpire brings it back, not because play stopped, not because the player taking the advantage was under pressure..... no it was because "the player did not hear the whistle".....HUH?

Also have you seen a match where one team not only dominates the clearances, the inside 50's and scoreboard but is also on the end of some thuggury and yet has half the free kicks???

Oh and the whole schneider and milne thing is a joke. Blight on the game. Up there with staging.

strange world...i'm fully in agreement with you.....

Junction Oval · Mon 11 Jul 2011 11:32pm

I heard too - "the player did not hear the whistle." Talk about "an assumption.!"

SaintPav · Post: # 1103428Post **SaintPav** » Tue 12 Jul 2011 12:04am

satchmo wrote:
stinger wrote:free kick count...18 to 30......says it all really.......and the schneider fiasco is now beyond a joke and is bordering on the ridiculous.....if you read this giesh...get f****** real ....
In fairness to giesh, he is just an impotent puppet.

yep. that's fair.

Furphy · Post: # 1103431Post **Furphy** » Tue 12 Jul 2011 12:11am

I'm 52 and bad umpiring has been synonymous with the Sainters since I can remember. It was also with the club formerly known as South Melbourne, the club formerly known as Fitzroy & the club formerly known as Footscray. Whilst certain other clubs got away with murder (hello Carlscum, Poos & Wees & Bummers)