Future Move To 4 Games In NZ

[Moorabbin Man]

In regard to Caro's assertion that we are planning to increase our home games in NZ to 4 in the next five years. Someone suggested I start a thread on this, so I have. I think its something that supporters and particularly members should discuss and quite frankly resist in the most robust fashion.

If Caro's information is true, then the Board needs to be rolled. I couldn't care less about how many $$$$ we may make, that would be the first step to relocation and a lazy way to make a buck. North Melbourne will probably end up relocating to Tassie. However, speaking of North, they have a good idea in regard to their concept of playing home games in Ballarat. We should explore the option of regional games in Victoria, rather than increasing games in NZ. I personally will reconsider my membership if we play 4 matches in NZ and would no longer be interested in following the Saints or AFL, if we relocated interstate, overseas or merged. We the members must stop any silly notions of playing any more than one game per year in NZ.

We need a vibrant and bold Board (possibly a new one) that will get us back to Moorabbin and not take easy shortcuts to looking after the bottom line.

I SUSPECT THE MONEY WE MAKE IN WELLINGTON COULD BE MADE BY REDUCING MICHAEL NETTLEFOLD'S EXHORBITANT SALARY OF $750,000 TO A REASONABLE LEVEL. He is for some reason the 2nd highest paid CEO in the game. Why? To put it into context, David Gallop was on $700,000 when he was CEO of the NRL. I don't care if his performance is good, bad or indifferent, his salary is disgracefully excessive.

[dragit]

Did you need to make a new thread? you just wrote this in the caro thread.

[Moorabbin Man]

Did you need to make a new thread? you just wrote this in the caro thread.

Did you read my first sentence?

[dragit]

Did you need to make a new thread? you just wrote this in the caro thread.

Did you read my first sentence?

yep

In regard to Caro's assertion that we are planning to increase our home games in NZ to 4 in the next five years.

I didn't read the second one… anyway carry on… SACK THE BOARD _ CHEESE EATING SURRENDER CLOWN MONKEY BANDITS!!!

[Moorabbin Man]

Did you need to make a new thread? you just wrote this in the caro thread.

Did you read my first sentence?

yep

In regard to Caro's assertion that we are planning to increase our home games in NZ to 4 in the next five years.

I didn't read the second one… anyway carry on… SACK THE BOARD _ CHEESE EATING SURRENDER CLOWN MONKEY BANDITS!!!

I take it that you are relaxed and comfortable about playing 4 home games per season in Wellington and the subsequent risk of relocation?

[dragit]

I take it that you are relaxed and comfortable about playing 4 home games per season in Wellington and the subsequent risk of relocation?

The four games would not worry me any more than the ones we had in tassie… not ideal & I can't go… but I don't think we are any risk of relocating.

Particularly while we are rebuilding we will need to look outside the box to remain financially viable, you say this is a lazy way to make money, but have not suggested an alternative? Playing games in Deniliquin & Omeo isn't going to cut…

We will be more risk of relocating or simply folding if we stumble to the bottom with 25,000 members and simply keep doing what we are doing.

Rolling the board for the sake of it does us no favours… if some comes along with a better plan, then they will succeed the current board, no doubt.

[Teflon]

We've all ready relocated - is Seaford in Vic?

[Old Mate]

We've all ready relocated - is Seaford in Vic?

Just a short flight away for the lads. I don't understand what all the whinging is about?

[Waltzing St Kilda]

Point is, we've got to be vigilant in case one game a year in NZ becomes two games then four games and then relocation. There will always be some bean-counter who say it's the only realistic option, bean-counters being notoriously unable to appreciate such abstractions as loyalty and tradition.

The St Kilda Board, and moreover the AFL, should realise that many, many fans will be heartbroken and disaffected if St Kilda loses its identity. Forget about the Gold Coast or Western Sydney or New Zealand ... the southern regions of Melbourne should represent a massive fan base for an AFL team. The fact that our fan-base is so low has much to do with some internal mistakes (e.g. the move to the boondocks of Seaford) and a whole lot of supporter misery ... because it's not much fun seeing your team denied the ultimate glory on so many occasions.

[cwrcyn]

4 games in Wellington will net us 10 times the money we get for 4 games at docklands. It's a no brainer.

I don't think we have to fear relocation any time soon.

[plugger66]

4 games in Wellington will net us 10 times the money we get for 4 games at docklands. It's a no brainer.

I don't think we have to fear relocation any time soon.

Why dont we just sell our soul then. 4 games would be the end for many. Tassie follow AFL. Wellington follow boots. I suppose that goes well with our sole then.

[saintspremiers]

4 games in Wellington will net us 10 times the money we get for 4 games at docklands. It's a no brainer.

I don't think we have to fear relocation any time soon.

Why dont we just sell our sole then. 4 games would be the end for many. Tassie follow AFL. Wellington follow boots. I suppose that goes well with our sole then.

Hawks play 4 games in Tassie and 4 other interstate.

So long as we play no more than 8 interstate or overseas in total it's fine with me.

Bring in the $$$$.

We need them.

[Moorabbin Man]

HOW ABOUT FIXING THE CRIMINAL DOCKLANDS DEAL!!!

[falka]

HOW ABOUT FIXING THE CRIMINAL DOCKLANDS DEAL!!!

I think that is the point, until that deal is fixed, NZ coin makes sense, like it or not.

[andrewg]

I think 4 games in Wellington is fine.

20,000 extra members makes almost 50,000 in our good years. Big $, the maybe we can compete off field.

8 interstate games a year 14 games in vic, means we won't have to play in Perth twice or play a stupid f****** game at skill stadium!

[cwrcyn]

AFL should have bought docklands after their most recent TV deal and should only have added one expansion team. What's the point of forking out gazillions for 2 new teams while 4 of your established teams are being totally screwed in a stadium deal that the AFL has known about for 12 years and done nothing about, apart from only recently guaranteeing 100k per game for clubs can't make a single dollar unless more than 28,000 people attend a game. Meanwhile, the same crowd will net you at least 400k at the MCG. Of course, Essendon got the sweet deal when docklands was set up, and they do very nicely, indeed. The rest of us weren't even offered crumbs.

So, the 5 games where we play interstate teams at docklands net us 500K courtesy of the AFL, not the stadium. Meanwhile MCG tenants with similar crowds for those games pull in over 2 million bucks.

And people wonder why we barely keep our heads above water.

If the docklands deal had been even remotely fair for the Saints, the Dogs, and the Roos, then New Zealand would probably not have come into consideration for the Saints.

However, I am disappointed with the club not following through with the Tassie experiment. We'd certainly be better off financially now (although not dramatically so)

[perfectionist]

..I SUSPECT THE MONEY WE MAKE IN WELLINGTON COULD BE MADE BY REDUCING MICHAEL NETTLEFOLD'S EXHORBITANT SALARY OF $750,000 TO A REASONABLE LEVEL. He is for some reason the 2nd highest paid CEO in the game.

He gets how much? $750,000 each year? Did anyone ever see him play? Who's the highest paid CEO? It should be the bloke at Geelong. Our bloke should be on about $300,000 pa (with a $50,000 reduction because it is Michael Nettlefold). This is an example of the great disconnect that Geoffrey Barker wrote about recently in The Age.

[Enrico_Misso]

HOW ABOUT FIXING THE CRIMINAL DOCKLANDS DEAL!!!

I think that is the point, until that deal is fixed, NZ coin makes sense, like it or not.

Exactly.
while there is a risk some bean counter might try to stretch 4 games to 11 the membership is strong enough to overthrow any board that contemplated it.

WARNING
South Melb relocated to Sydney because the pro Sydney forces bought memberships for thousands of no-necks and in return got their proxy votes to get the numbers to relocate.
Why couldn't some NZ company - even the NZ govt - do the same thing then bring on a vote to relocate us?
We will need to watch for that.

But having said that I think relocation is unlikely.
- 4 games in NZ against different opponents each year would give us a home ground advantage we lost when we left Moorabbin.
- Would give us plenty of $
- Take our heads off the chopping block when the AFL eventually decides to rationalise (10 teams in Victoria is about 4 too many).
- and we still get 11 home (or make-up) games in Melb for our membership
- sounds a reasonable deal until they make Jihad economical

[70s sainter]

4 games in Wellington will net us 10 times the money we get for 4 games at docklands. It's a no brainer.

I don't think we have to fear relocation any time soon.

Like plugger said.
Ten home games in wellington would get us more money again- but where do you stop?
The more games you dont have access to as as a supporter (dont believe the hype about it being cheap and easy to get to wellington) , the more chance you wont renew your membership.
5000 members is worth what? $500000-750000 .
losing 10000 members is worth 1 mill - 1.5 mill ......so in the end you make bugger all out of it and possibly lose a heap of members for ever. as well as their kids etc.
The moral of the story is - selling home games is a short term fix.
You cant use hawks as an example either as they are only 45mins on a plane for $40 EACH WAY and that is ten times more do able than Wellington.

[plugger66]

4 games in Wellington will net us 10 times the money we get for 4 games at docklands. It's a no brainer.

I don't think we have to fear relocation any time soon.

Like plugger said.
Ten home games in wellington would get us more money again- but where do you stop?
The more games you dont have access to as as a supporter (dont believe the hype about it being cheap and easy to get to wellington) , the more chance you wont renew your membership.
5000 members is worth what? $500000-750000 .
losing 10000 members is worth 1 mill - 1.5 mill ......so in the end you make bugger all out of it and possibly lose a heap of members for ever. as well as their kids etc.
The moral of the story is - selling home games is a short term fix.
You cant use hawks as an example either as they are only 45mins on a plane for $40 EACH WAY and that is ten times more do able than Wellington.

At least someone gets it.

[stevie]

Raffle an attractive sheep at half time tonight. We'll make a fortune.

[PJ]

The long term outlook for an AFL club in NZ would be pretty bleak and yes I know the AFL will throw dollars at it but they'd be pissing in the wind. The kiwi's love rugby they won't swap over in enough numbers to make it work and there aint enough ex-pats to hold it up. I think it'll only be a showcase in the short term.

[oh when the]

how many more members will not join.
i want to see my club live every week
so we will get 6 interstate 1 geelong 4 nz
11 mcg or dockkand the club needs to be careful
not to kill the golden goose.

[Wrote for Luck]

ostensibly we lost our identity when we moved out of morrabbin. who cares if we play half a dozen games in Wellington? the docklands has got FA to do with St Kilda. and we train down in Seaford. I want us to be able to compete with the bigger clubs. in 140 years ostensibly we have failed to do this successful. we still have a pissy number of members. you want to be ordinary all your life? got to show some ambition. I know the identity of St Kilda. I'm not insecure about losing that. home game against Essendon last week and couldn't even hear a chant go up for Saints. just not good enough. the more fans you got the more premierships you win. do you get it?

[plugger66]

ostensibly we lost our identity when we moved out of morrabbin. who cares if we play half a dozen games in Wellington? the docklands has got FA to do with St Kilda. and we train down in Seaford. I want us to be able to compete with the bigger clubs. in 140 years ostensibly we have failed to do this successful. we still have a pissy number of members. you want to be ordinary all your life? got to show some ambition. I know the identity of St Kilda. I'm not insecure about losing that. home game against Essendon last week and couldn't even hear a chant go up for Saints. just not good enough. the more fans you got the more premierships you win. do you get it?

How does playing in Wellington make us a bigger club? If we get a thousand members from NZ over the next couple of years i would be surprised and even if we do they will only attend 2 games in their country and we may get $100 off each of them. That gives us 100k but if we lose 5k members then we are hardly better off.

And if we play 6 in Wellington then thats 6 games you cant attend where as you can Etihad. I dont get the idea of these games. I understand the Hawks because they are closer to home and in a football state. They will get members because of that.