2012 draft looks a complete bust

[Saint wagga]

White, Wright, Murdoch, Saunders, Pierce...

None of them can get near it and have all been leap frogged by younger players. Wright perhaps shows the most and is waiting in the wings for opportunity, most liklely through injury at this stage. wouldnt be surprised if only 1 out of 5 get to 50+ games.

Would love to be proven wrong, but all are in 3rd season and can't get a game, which doesn't bode that well...

[WinnersOnly]

Yep I reckon we blame Pelchen for that as the recruiters have been outstanding since he has left !

Murdoch still may surpriseife he can get his fitness and running to the required level. Wright and Saunders cant kick which is a killer, Pierce and White look gone!

[dragit]

Also -
Traded in
Hickey, Lee, TDL
Traded out, Let go
Cripps, Goddard

Dunnell upgraded

[Old Mate]

The last compromised draft from the new franchise teams. White and Wright more like mid 30's picks, Murdoch and Saunders 50's.

[lewdogs]

Still think Wright could be handy. But yeah, the rest not so much.

[plugger66]

Bad draft in hindsight.

[FQF]

Is Wright a naturally bad kick or is it because he is always running at turbo speed and hasn't yet figured out how to take those steadying steps before kicking?

If the former, he's probably done. If the latter, it's a question of experience and practice and he has every tool to be a good player.

[stjay]

With no real evidence other than taking Lee (A West Australian) and the way he talked up some of these guys, I blame Watters for that draft.
Not one playing first team footy- Disgraceful.
Wright looks to be the only real hope to avoid a total disaster.

[plugger66]

With no real evidence other than taking Lee (A West Australian) and the way he talked up some of these guys, I blame Watters for that draft.
Not one playing first team footy- Disgraceful.
Wright looks to be the only real hope to avoid a total disaster.

Not a rap for Watters but I cant see how its his fault.

[Armoooo]

It was a horrible, horrible draft.

Wright and White in the mid 20s might sound bad, but I can't see anyone who can after then who I would be in too much of a rush to trade them for.

Only missed opportunity I see is Grundy.

[Beno88]

Wright will make it. Murdoch will make it.

Saunders is 50/50. Pierce is 50/50.

White looks like a miss.

Dylan Roberton was a good pick up that off season.

Funny to see people say we "let go" Goddard and Cripps.

[plugger66]

Wright will make it. Murdoch will make it.

Saunders is 50/50. Pierce is 50/50.

White looks like a miss.

Dylan Roberton was a good pick up that off season.

Funny to see people say we "let go" Goddard and Cripps.

What is make it? Murdoch is lucky we have a few older players or he would be gone. Wright's kicking is a real issue. Pierce is the same as Murdoch. Saunders has the same kicking issues as Wright. Some of these guys have played in our thirds in their third season. That standard isn't much better than C grade ammos. And you are right about Cripps. he wanted out and BJ had to go with the money he was asking. No way of hiding that it was again another poor draft.

[saintspremiers]

Wright looks finished to me. He's like a machine gun firing randomly. Just not up to the skill level required at AFL level. Shame as he's got a fair bit of desire.

Lee may still make it as a defender and Hickey perhaps as a ruckman but the rest aren't much chop.

[bigred]

Is Wright a naturally bad kick or is it because he is always running at turbo speed and hasn't yet figured out how to take those steadying steps before kicking?

If the former, he's probably done. If the latter, it's a question of experience and practice and he has every tool to be a good player.

Jack Steven is a good example.

His disposal is a lot better than it was.

[dragit]

Funny to see people say we "let go" Goddard and Cripps.

I'm guessing you are referring to me, what's funny about it?

I said we traded out Cripps and let Goddard go, whom if we'd really wanted could have kept, but we clearly were more interested in the compo pick which is looking like a pretty average move in hindsight.

[WinnersOnly]

Spencer White is a very poor pick when you see that James Stewart, Tom Clurey and Michael Close were taken shortly after him! No wonder Pelchen is not a club any longer....

[Beno88]

Wright will make it. Murdoch will make it.

Saunders is 50/50. Pierce is 50/50.

White looks like a miss.

Dylan Roberton was a good pick up that off season.

Funny to see people say we "let go" Goddard and Cripps.

What is make it? Murdoch is lucky we have a few older players or he would be gone. Wright's kicking is a real issue. Pierce is the same as Murdoch. Saunders has the same kicking issues as Wright. Some of these guys have played in our thirds in their third season. That standard isn't much better than C grade ammos. And you are right about Cripps. he wanted out and BJ had to go with the money he was asking. No way of hiding that it was again another poor draft.

"Make it" means I think they'll become regular AFL footballers. Wright's toughness and effort are there, rarely gets beaten in a contest, just needs to develop his footskills further, I think he's capable of that.
Murdoch is a good size and looked very good late last year. An injury interrupted pre season has hurt him this year.
I don't think there's much to read into guys coming back from injury playing the development squad, especially given our clean bill of health. That just shows great competition for spots.

Saunders, Wright and Murdoch are all contracted until the end of next season and won't be going anywhere before then unless we got a trade offer too good to refuse.

2012 wasn't a standout draft for us, but before our trades we had pick 12, only 3 players who were taken after pick 11 have played regular AFL football, excluding Viney who was father-son. I reckon only the Bulldogs, Melbourne and maybe Port would look back at that draft as successful.

[Beno88]

Funny to see people say we "let go" Goddard and Cripps.

I'm guessing you are referring to me, what's funny about it?

I said we traded out Cripps and let Goddard go, whom if we'd really wanted could have kept, but we clearly were more interested in the compo pick which is looking like a pretty average move in hindsight.

Sorry, I read that as letting them both go.

In reality we had no chance of keeping Goddard. And even if that move looks pretty average for us, it looks a lot more average for BJ.

[dragit]

Spencer White is a very poor pick when you see that James Stewart, Tom Clurey and Michael Close were taken shortly after him! No wonder Pelchen is not a club any longer....

I love how we blame guys no longer at the club when we pick duds, but talk up elshaugh & bains when we pick a good player.

Have Stewart, Clurey & Close all made it? Clurey only has 4 games.

[plugger66]

Wright will make it. Murdoch will make it.

Saunders is 50/50. Pierce is 50/50.

White looks like a miss.

Dylan Roberton was a good pick up that off season.

Funny to see people say we "let go" Goddard and Cripps.

What is make it? Murdoch is lucky we have a few older players or he would be gone. Wright's kicking is a real issue. Pierce is the same as Murdoch. Saunders has the same kicking issues as Wright. Some of these guys have played in our thirds in their third season. That standard isn't much better than C grade ammos. And you are right about Cripps. he wanted out and BJ had to go with the money he was asking. No way of hiding that it was again another poor draft.

"Make it" means I think they'll become regular AFL footballers. Wright's toughness and effort are there, rarely gets beaten in a contest, just needs to develop his footskills further, I think he's capable of that.
Murdoch is a good size and looked very good late last year. An injury interrupted pre season has hurt him this year.
I don't think there's much to read into guys coming back from injury playing the development squad, especially given our clean bill of health. That just shows great competition for spots.

Saunders, Wright and Murdoch are all contracted until the end of next season and won't be going anywhere before then unless we got a trade offer too good to refuse.

2012 wasn't a standout draft for us, but before our trades we had pick 12, only 3 players who were taken after pick 11 have played regular AFL football, excluding Viney who was father-son. I reckon only the Bulldogs, Melbourne and maybe Port would look back at that draft as successful.

If they don't make it then it is still a bust for us. Maybe its also a bust for other sides as well. I think we have enough players to delist so those players will probably stay but the contract means nothing really. I wish I was as confident as you about the players but I think we have much better players already ahead of those guys.

[Animal Enclosure]

Spencer White is a very poor pick when you see that James Stewart, Tom Clurey and Michael Close were taken shortly after him! No wonder Pelchen is not a club any longer....

Trout & his team picked those guys, not Pelchen.

[plugger66]

Spencer White is a very poor pick when you see that James Stewart, Tom Clurey and Michael Close were taken shortly after him! No wonder Pelchen is not a club any longer....

I would hope Pelchen was never picking players. he wouldn't have seen enough games to be doing that. The trade for those picks may have had something to do with him though. I have always said multiple ordinary players for a good pick is fraught with danger.

[saintbrat]

Spencer White is a very poor pick when you see that James Stewart, Tom Clurey and Michael Close were taken shortly after him! No wonder Pelchen is not a club any longer....

Trout & his team picked those guys, not Pelchen.

Correct Pelchen came after that and only left end of 2014- after or just before draft.

[gringo]

Wright will make it. Murdoch will make it.

Saunders is 50/50. Pierce is 50/50.

White looks like a miss.

Dylan Roberton was a good pick up that off season.

Funny to see people say we "let go" Goddard and Cripps.

What is make it? Murdoch is lucky we have a few older players or he would be gone. Wright's kicking is a real issue. Pierce is the same as Murdoch. Saunders has the same kicking issues as Wright. Some of these guys have played in our thirds in their third season. That standard isn't much better than C grade ammos. And you are right about Cripps. he wanted out and BJ had to go with the money he was asking. No way of hiding that it was again another poor draft.

We are playing players in the thirds to meet commitments to Sandringham who also have to play their stars in the thirds. It was a compromised draft and Lee looks like a hit if he takes over from Fisher when he leaves as a CHB. Roberto will be along term player. Murdoch is struggling with injury and form and Saunders and Wrighty are having pretty ordinary years but while they are listed there is always hope.

[plugger66]

Wright will make it. Murdoch will make it.

Saunders is 50/50. Pierce is 50/50.

White looks like a miss.

Dylan Roberton was a good pick up that off season.

Funny to see people say we "let go" Goddard and Cripps.

What is make it? Murdoch is lucky we have a few older players or he would be gone. Wright's kicking is a real issue. Pierce is the same as Murdoch. Saunders has the same kicking issues as Wright. Some of these guys have played in our thirds in their third season. That standard isn't much better than C grade ammos. And you are right about Cripps. he wanted out and BJ had to go with the money he was asking. No way of hiding that it was again another poor draft.

We are playing players in the thirds to meet commitments to Sandringham who also have to play their stars in the thirds. It was a compromised draft and Lee looks like a hit if he takes over from Fisher when he leaves as a CHB. Roberto will be along term player. Murdoch is struggling with injury and form and Saunders and Wrighty are having pretty ordinary years but while they are listed there is always hope.

I know the reason but that is no excuse for a third year player. And Lee is a hit if he takes over from Fisher. At the moment he is a complete miss. As we type the draft is a bust. It will hopefully change. We need one to come through to be a better than average player.