Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
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Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Was floated on Talking Footy last night...who would you like in the red white and black in 2018 if you can only have one....
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Next year, our very own Jack "Man of" Steele,
will be our version of The Bont, or Fyfe.
Acres will be close behind him.
Steele is averaging 7.7 tackles per game, got 10 in Tassie.
He got 27 possies.
He has hands like the Bont.
The 2nd goal from Koby, came from Seb, who got it from a desperate extraction by Steele.
will be our version of The Bont, or Fyfe.
Acres will be close behind him.
Steele is averaging 7.7 tackles per game, got 10 in Tassie.
He got 27 possies.
He has hands like the Bont.
The 2nd goal from Koby, came from Seb, who got it from a desperate extraction by Steele.
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
All true but we need more than that to win multiple flags which is our club's goal.WellardSaint wrote:Next year, our very own Jack "Man of" Steele,
will be our version of The Bont, or Fyfe.
Acres will be close behind him.
Steele is averaging 7.7 tackles per game, got 10 in Tassie.
He got 27 possies.
He has hands like the Bont.
The 2nd goal from Koby, came from Seb, who got it from a desperate extraction by Steele.
Notice the word "multiple".
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Get Fyfe and Martin as FA's...$1.2 and $1.0 respectively.
Trade Hawks first round and our 2018 first round for Kelly plus their second round coming back.
Delist Gilbert to free up some cash.
Top 2 in 2018.
Please note, if we beat Greater Western Sydney on Friday we will finish top 4 this year.
Trade Hawks first round and our 2018 first round for Kelly plus their second round coming back.
Delist Gilbert to free up some cash.
Top 2 in 2018.
Please note, if we beat Greater Western Sydney on Friday we will finish top 4 this year.
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Not possiblewolfpup wrote:There is a chance we could get 2 of those players.
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Ideally Kelly plus a free agent. Fyfe or Martin would cost too much though so maybe Rockliff.
We'd need to give up the Hawthorn pick and perhaps the 2018 first rounder to get Kelly but, if we did, we could get Kelly, Rockliff and keep our first pick this year (and Brisbane would get great compo so for Rocky). I reckon we could do that for about $1.7-$1.8m a year and would be 50% better in the midfield straight away.
With a strong backline, improving forward line and a decent midfield, we'd be contenders from next year onwards ...
We'd need to give up the Hawthorn pick and perhaps the 2018 first rounder to get Kelly but, if we did, we could get Kelly, Rockliff and keep our first pick this year (and Brisbane would get great compo so for Rocky). I reckon we could do that for about $1.7-$1.8m a year and would be 50% better in the midfield straight away.
With a strong backline, improving forward line and a decent midfield, we'd be contenders from next year onwards ...
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Fyfe all the way, and plan B should be Whitfield. Kelly isn't an out and out star, we have our own budding guns. Thats why I reckon Fyfe is the man. Like Dangerfield to the Cats, he's a star of the comp right now and he should be even better next year if he can get a full season into him this year, followinhg a full 12 months out with that leg fracture!!
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Rubbishcitywest wrote:Get Fyfe and Martin as FA's...$1.2 and $1.0 respectively.
Trade Hawks first round and our 2018 first round for Kelly plus their second round coming back.
Delist Gilbert to free up some cash.
Top 2 in 2018.
Please note, if we beat Greater Western Sydney on Friday we will finish top 4 this year.
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
It will cost us at least 1.5 million a year to lure either Fyfe or Martin. Kelly has a million a year for 9 years offered by Norf. Those are very big numbers. Won't get more than one of those. I'd love to get all three and would sell the farm for that to happen, but realistically it won't.
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
I believe with our expected cap space, possible increase in TPP and the new CBA will allow us to do this. may have to get Creative with the Gilbo, Roo and Joey contracts. I imagine Dempster was on semi decent coin which will come off the books also.magnifisaint wrote:Not possiblewolfpup wrote:There is a chance we could get 2 of those players.
realistically there is a chance you could get 2 of: Fyfe and Kelly or Dusty and Kelly. Dont think we could afford Dusty and Fyfe unless one contract was front loaded and other back loaded.
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Kelly for me, more precisely the player we need, he's also the youngest of the three and probably the most gettable.
I'd be surprised if Fyfe didn't stay put at Freo. If Richmond continue and have a good season then Martin will stay. That's a big if, because the wheels could still fall off for Richmond this season and that could see him leave.
At the moment Martin is the best of the three, but he carries risks. Kelly could turn out to be better, who knows?
All in all, because of GWS' salry cap pressures, Kelly is the most likely to shift clubs. GWS have publicly said that they are not interested in doing business with North, because North have nothing they want in a trade.
I'd be surprised if Fyfe didn't stay put at Freo. If Richmond continue and have a good season then Martin will stay. That's a big if, because the wheels could still fall off for Richmond this season and that could see him leave.
At the moment Martin is the best of the three, but he carries risks. Kelly could turn out to be better, who knows?
All in all, because of GWS' salry cap pressures, Kelly is the most likely to shift clubs. GWS have publicly said that they are not interested in doing business with North, because North have nothing they want in a trade.
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
I'm intrigued BM, why not? Or do you have someone else in mind?BigMart wrote:None
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Let's think bigdragit wrote:BigMart wrote:None
All three of them - premiership window opens immediately.
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Maybe Rockcliffe and Whitfield may be more the go. more realistic. After his drug test debacle Whitfield may not be too popular at GWS, and they might accept Hawthorns pick with a 2nd round back.
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Don't want the club to become about one player or even a few players
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
I refuse to learn until we have another Premiership Cup!BigMart wrote:Don't want the club to become about one player or even a few players
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
This sounds better.borderbarry wrote:Maybe Rockcliffe and Whitfield may be more the go. more realistic. After his drug test debacle Whitfield may not be too popular at GWS, and they might accept Hawthorns pick with a 2nd round back.
Fyfe and Martin on 1.5m per year is too much. They are worth it on the open market like how Roo was back in 09 and 2010, BUT spending too much money on high end affects our bottom six or seven players. Can't have another Eddy or Mcqualter running around on GF day because we can't afford someone better.
Would love Kelly but would cost both our first rounders plus some
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Best player currently- Dusty Martin- he is winning more games off his own boot than the other two.
Best player for our balance and list- Josh Kelly
Either one of those 3 would do nicely but it's the complications of what you give for these players in draft picks/players and salary that also determines what player and deal to go for.
Best player for our balance and list- Josh Kelly
Either one of those 3 would do nicely but it's the complications of what you give for these players in draft picks/players and salary that also determines what player and deal to go for.
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
Don't want any. Looks like we'll get a top 5 pick from the Hawks, and ours will be between 9 and 12, I reckon. Remember, Nathan Brown is a temporary fix, so it's important to snare another tall defender. Just keep building from the ground up, and keep sneaking a few more Jack Steele types for second round picks.
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Re: Martin, Fyfe or Kelly?
If you've got sycophants and weak leadership led by an incompetent board sure, but if you have a coach who doesn't treat players differently based on their pay, why not? Beveribge didn't give a toss if Tom Boyd was a number 1 pick or if was being paid $1m plus. He played him in the seconds until Boyd got the message and got hungry to make his mark in the team.BigMart wrote:Don't want the club to become about one player or even a few players
Have we not learned?
I think Richo is also doing that with Patty, and I think our leadership on and off field is great...I say let's get elite talent and potential matchwinners into our side. I want a player or players in the team who are a class above, so I say why wouldn't you pay them what they're worth.
A guy like JJ at the Dogs has every right to demand a doubling in his pay. We should also target him