When is the new Captain being announced?

[Bowey Boy]

No, this is great, gradual handover and upsets nobody.

[st.byron]

Gears must be providing something that the group values highly.
Don’t mind the co-captaincy strategy. Steele on his own from next year.
Am more pleased with Howard and Willkie joining the leadership group. Great effort from both of them.

[roskilde]

Agreed, Byron. No better sign of a healthy club than bringing in players who start to grow as players and people.

Wilkie is particularly satisfying given his history.

Go Saints and congratulations to Steele. He's earned that.

[Vortex]

Is it safe to say most of us didn't see that coming?

I gotta say I immediately liked it and thought once again the club is currently in great hands.

And I also think the whole leadership group the club has selected is very strong.

The best 22 each week will be well led.

And not forgetting the unofficial leadership types we also have.



Congratulations to the Wilkie and Howard.

[saynta]

Best of both worlds. IMHFO.

[B.M]

I think Geary does not have a spot in the team, so Steele is basically skipper.

[CQ SAINT]

Steele, a 25 year old, match winning All Australian. Who would have thought?
Congrats for getting it right Saints. Also credit to Geary for his leadership until this point. I hope he recovers in time to regain a spot in the team, but I also hope by then that it is a very difficult task for him.

[Sanctorum]

Good decision, makes sense!

It also means that the selectors will not feel obliged to play Geary every week irrespective of form....

Big shake-up of the leadership group augurs well for the future as there are quite a few others who will be very well qualified to lead the team in the years ahead.

[The_Dud]

Good decision, makes sense!

It also means that the selectors will not feel obliged to play Geary every week irrespective of form....

Big shake-up of the leadership group augurs well for the future as there are quite a few others who will be very well qualified to lead the team in the years ahead.

I disagree, I think being co-captain still means they won't drop him unfortunately.

IMO this is selfish by Geary. He puts the club in a bad spot not being able to judge him on form. He can still 'lead' the club just as much without the C next to his name.

[terry smith rules]

Good decision, makes sense!

It also means that the selectors will not feel obliged to play Geary every week irrespective of form....

Big shake-up of the leadership group augurs well for the future as there are quite a few others who will be very well qualified to lead the team in the years ahead.

I disagree, I think being co-captain still means they won't drop him unfortunately.

IMO this is selfish by Geary. He puts the club in a bad spot not being able to judge him on form. He can still 'lead' the club just as much without the C next to his name.

Yes very selfish to break your leg and may never play again.

Like think about your comment. This is the way the club can make a transition with dignity for a guy who gives his all.

So if or when he recovers then let’s make a decision on his form

Fqf

[The_Dud]

Good decision, makes sense!

It also means that the selectors will not feel obliged to play Geary every week irrespective of form....

Big shake-up of the leadership group augurs well for the future as there are quite a few others who will be very well qualified to lead the team in the years ahead.

I disagree, I think being co-captain still means they won't drop him unfortunately.

IMO this is selfish by Geary. He puts the club in a bad spot not being able to judge him on form. He can still 'lead' the club just as much without the C next to his name.

Yes very selfish to break your leg and may never play again.

Like think about your comment. This is the way the club can make a transition with dignity for a guy who gives his all.

So if or when he recovers then let’s make a decision on his form

Fqf

What’s his leg got to do with it?

I thought Roo’s transition was much more dignified than this. That’s what unselfish looks like.

Do you really think they’ll drop a captain? How’d that go for GWS last season?

[magnifisaint]

It's a players vote. Obviously they think Geary is a good captain. He didn't vote him in.

[B.M]

It’s not a players vote for captaincy

It’s a vote for the leadership group

The Leadership Group and Coaches then decide upon the Captains

Then that is ratified by the board

[magnifisaint]

It’s not a players vote for captaincy

It’s a vote for the leadership group

The Leadership Group and Coaches then decide upon the Captains

Then that is ratified by the board

What difference does it make?
It's obvious that the hierarchy at St Kilda rate him as a captain. He was voted into the leadership group by the players.

[Zed]

I like the selections. I particularly like co-captains.
Billings perhaps the odd man out for me. Just doesn’t stand out as a leadership type. Would have preferred to see Marshall instead.

Wilkie I think was a premiership captain at North Adelaide when we recruited him ? Could maybe replace Gears as a co-captain next year if he has good year.
Coff my tip to move into leadership group next year.

[B.M]

How do you know Billings is not seen as a leader

He was voted in to the Leadership group

What has Marshall done to be seen as a good leader??

[The_Dud]

It’s not a players vote for captaincy

It’s a vote for the leadership group

The Leadership Group and Coaches then decide upon the Captains

Then that is ratified by the board

What difference does it make?
It's obvious that the hierarchy at St Kilda rate him as a captain. He was voted into the leadership group by the players.

Do you think anything less than 99.9% of all players / coaches/ board members/ supporters wanted Roo to captain in his last year? Do you think Roo didn’t want to go on and break all kinds of captaining records?

He put the team ahead of himself.

[B.M]

I believe Riewoldt should have and deserved to captain in 2016

[minneapolis]

Gears must be providing something that the group values highly.
Don’t mind the co-captaincy strategy. Steele on his own from next year.
Am more pleased with Howard and Willkie joining the leadership group. Great effort from both of them.

And just buries Howard and Wilkie in St Kilda juices as well. Positive long term decision.

[Shaggy]

It’s not a players vote for captaincy

It’s a vote for the leadership group

The Leadership Group and Coaches then decide upon the Captains

Then that is ratified by the board

What difference does it make?
It's obvious that the hierarchy at St Kilda rate him as a captain. He was voted into the leadership group by the players.

Do you think anything less than 99.9% of all players / coaches/ board members/ supporters wanted Roo to captain in his last year? Do you think Roo didn’t want to go on and break all kinds of captaining records?

He put the team ahead of himself.

The club thinks we can win this year and Gears is the man to lead us to the holy grail. Half our list are in the sweet spot.
When Roo resigned we were in development mode with few at their peak.
Big difference.

[Premium89]

And just buries Howard and Wilkie in St Kilda juices as well. Positive long term decision.

Stoked to see both of them in the leadership group. Huge plus for our recent recruiting.

But... “buries” them in St Kilda juices??
Surely if it’s juices were talking, we’d be marinating...
Swimming?
Pickling?
Basting?

[freely]

I believe Riewoldt should have and deserved to captain in 2016

I must be the only one who thought Riewoldt was a poor captain especially toward the end. Great player up to last couple of years - but by then continually complaining all game every game about the service he received. Taught Lonie by example to behave in the same selfish way - only just beginning to get over it. And what about the way he led the senior players all through the 'we're too good/came too close to have to change anything' years? This talk of saint nick rewrites history for mine. The pity of it was, none of our leaders during his halcyon era took on the development of future leaders. Which is why we're where we are only now beginning to develop any.

[Vortex]

I believe Riewoldt should have and deserved to captain in 2016

I must be the only one who thought Riewoldt was a poor captain especially toward the end. Great player up to last couple of years - but by then continually complaining all game every game about the service he received. Taught Lonie by example to behave in the same selfish way - only just beginning to get over it. And what about the way he led the senior players all through the 'we're too good/came too close to have to change anything' years? This talk of saint nick rewrites history for mine. The pity of it was, none of our leaders during his halcyon era took on the development of future leaders. Which is why we're where we are only now beginning to develop any.

There definitely was a bit of the tale wagging the dog after the Lyon era. I think it is a bit harsh to lump all of this on Roo though.

If you look at the post Lyon era through the prism of where the club is today it's easy to see that as good as Roo's leadership was, he was but one fish swimming against a strong current due to the lack of quality personnel at evey level of the club. It's a much different story today and Roo would be the perfect captain for the 2021 team. No doubt.

[B.M]

1) Lonie is very unselfish

2) Riewoldt was rated in the best few Captains in the AFL and the clear stand out at StK. He actually played on a wing in his second last season and was RU B&F and should clearly have been AA.

Inspirational skipper who demanded a lot from his player.
Players don’t like demanding leaders unless they place even tougher demands on themselves. Riewoldt lived those standards and then some!!!

[Saintmatt]

I believe Riewoldt should have and deserved to captain in 2016

I must be the only one who thought Riewoldt was a poor captain especially toward the end. Great player up to last couple of years - but by then continually complaining all game every game about the service he received. Taught Lonie by example to behave in the same selfish way - only just beginning to get over it. And what about the way he led the senior players all through the 'we're too good/came too close to have to change anything' years? This talk of saint nick rewrites history for mine. The pity of it was, none of our leaders during his halcyon era took on the development of future leaders. Which is why we're where we are only now beginning to develop any.

There definitely was a bit of the tale wagging the dog after the Lyon era. I think it is a bit harsh to lump all of this on Roo though.

If you look at the post Lyon era through the prism of where the club is today it's easy to see that as good as Roo's leadership was, he was but one fish swimming against a strong current due to the lack of quality personnel at evey level of the club. It's a much different story today and Roo would be the perfect captain for the 2021 team. No doubt.

Absolutely. Well said. Roo was basically the reverse of Pavlich. Pav was a great captain in some poor/ave Freo teams then elevated himself to a higher plane once Lyon came and the team around him became better. I think Roo would've been an even better Captain after our Watters/Richo dip had the team regenerated to a competitive level around him. That said - the 2nd half of his last year was hard to watch - he admitted he was basically on rails and not particularly useful once the ball hit the ground.