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Coaching amnesty

Post: # 1926044Post farquhar »

Hi all, I propose that we have an amnesty on all comments relating to changing coach. If you have teed off before, if you are harbouring grudges or think changes are necessary then let's forgive and forget.

My view is we have a very good coach. One who by any yardstick has outperformed better credentialled successors (Malthouse) at Carlton and the new flavours of the month (Bolton, Teague).

Based on the facts that clubs who have stuck to their coaches have had success and we should do the same.
    Look at Hawthorn who stuck with Clarkson after the disappointments they had after the 2008 premiership and Kennett was never keen on him.
      Richmond with Hardwick who was on hanging onto his job at end of 2016 and the person who they did get rid of was Choco Williams who is playing a key role at Melbourne.
        Geelong with Thompson who after an ordinary 2006 was lucky to keep his job
          Melbourne with Goodwin who has endured 2 poor seasons before now and are favourites for the premiership
            Port with Hinkley who was lucky to keep his job
              Bulldogs with Beveridge after the success of 2016 has finally got th[/list]em where they should be this season.

              So let's hold fire on all coaching changes, stick with Ratten and enjoy the ride.


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              Post: # 1926048Post skeptic »

              Is Ratten under threat?

              The general sense I’ve gotten here is that most have given him a pass for the season all things considered. He’s contracted to the end of next season too yes?

              Barring an unmitigated disaster I imagine he’s pbly got at least 2 years in him though some of his decision making is odd IMO
              Already achieved more than AR over 5-6 years


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              Post: # 1926052Post asiu »

              whats the smell of the breeze on
              Banger coming to us
              following the brownbaggers
              going the ross lyon implosion route

              any chance ?


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              Post: # 1926054Post B.M »

              I don’t think anyone has ever suggested replacing Ratten

              No finals next year

              Go all in for Clarkson and Ben King - chips on the table and take the risk!!!


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              Post: # 1926056Post asiu »

              assisting the current coach
              in some capacity


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              Post: # 1926063Post Wayne42 »

              No idea how long Ratts will be the Saints coach but it won't be anywhere near the tenure Clarkson had at Hawthorn.

              This is StKilda, the coaching axe is always sharp.


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              Post: # 1926110Post Teflon »

              B.M wrote: Sat 11 Sep 2021 6:58pm I don’t think anyone has ever suggested replacing Ratten

              No finals next year

              Go all in for Clarkson and Ben King - chips on the table and take the risk!!!
              Yep

              Next year crucial for Brett
              As a club we can’t afford another 6 years of a Richo type in the wilderness


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              Post: # 1926149Post B.M »

              Then we better manage our list better

              Not at one point from 2012-2019 did we have a list that could even contend for the finals!!!

              Three reasons why
              The 2009-10 drafts
              The 2013-14 drafts
              The getting rid of good players and replacing them with poor draft choices!

              Ross Lyon crippled the clubs future with his want to recruit role players (Polo, , Pattison, Gamble, Smith, Peake, Lovett etc

              Chris Pelchen then finished the job with cataclysmic effect. Goddard, McEvoy, Dal Santo…. All farmed off, none wanted to leave


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              Post: # 1926158Post Yorkeys »

              But is it ok to note that CScott & Hinkley have no clothes. Their clubs will work that out soon. Notwithstanding Chris' stylist and his spin excuses.


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              Post: # 1926160Post Yorkeys »

              Conversely Bevo is a genius.

              Move over Clarko ?


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              Post: # 1926161Post skeptic »

              B.M wrote: Sat 11 Sep 2021 10:51pm Then we better manage our list better

              Not at one point from 2012-2019 did we have a list that could even contend for the finals!!!

              Three reasons why
              The 2009-10 drafts
              The 2013-14 drafts
              The getting rid of good players and replacing them with poor draft choices!

              Ross Lyon crippled the clubs future with his want to recruit role players (Polo, , Pattison, Gamble, Smith, Peake, Lovett etc

              Chris Pelchen then finished the job with cataclysmic effect. Goddard, McEvoy, Dal Santo…. All farmed off, none wanted to leave
              Except the year we contended for the finals, we’re in the 8 and lost 4/5 or something


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              Post: # 1926164Post B.M »

              What year did we play finals??

              We were close in 2016/2017

              But really we had ordinary teams. This is the best list we’ve had since 2012


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              Post: # 1926171Post skeptic »

              You said we never had a list that could contend for the finals…
              That’s simply not true

              The year Richmond broke their drought we smashed them with about 5 games to go and we’re inside the 8. We then capitulated and lost the majority of our remaining games including a stinker vs the lowly Bombers.

              Should have played finals that year


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              Post: # 1926178Post Waltzing St Kilda »

              On the other hand, we persisted with top bloke Richo for far too long.

              Would hate to see top bloke Ratten coach for six years with one finals appearance.

              In two weeks' time:

              Assistant coach Richo and Petracca vs. the Bont and our (very shorlived) Director of Coaching.


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              Post: # 1926182Post B.M »

              Do you reckon another coach would have masterminded a premiership from 2013-2019?

              We played finals in 2020 due to a massive overhaul of the list


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              Post: # 1926185Post skeptic »

              B.M wrote: Sun 12 Sep 2021 12:45am Do you reckon another coach would have masterminded a premiership from 2013-2019?

              We played finals in 2020 due to a massive overhaul of the list
              Agreed.

              Something Richo promised but failed to do over 6 years


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              Post: # 1926186Post Wayne42 »

              Yeah he might not have been a senior coaches bootlace but Richo had to wear the crap that trout was dealing him, that's what the club wanted.

              Amateur hour at the Saints, as per usual.


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              Post: # 1926187Post Waltzing St Kilda »

              Personally I'd be questioning Ken Hinkley's job right now. Surely a lot at Port are.

              Been there nine years. Hasn't got the job done. A truly insipid perfromance tonight.

              Maybe a change of style is required?


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              Post: # 1926205Post Yorkeys »

              Looked like he knew it after the game (presser). He's got nothing left and knows it. Koch is not a sentimentalist and won't want to cop the inevitable fall out from that pitiful performance when everything was in their favour - except the Bulldog spirit, some very classy Doggies and a wonderful coach.


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              Post: # 1926210Post B.M »

              Who was the better coach

              Allan Joyce or Paul Roos??


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              Post: # 1926212Post saynta »

              B.M wrote: Sun 12 Sep 2021 12:10pm Who was the better coach

              Allan Joyce or Paul Roos??
              Bit of a line ball but I say Joyce.


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              Post: # 1926215Post B.M »

              Joyce dual premiership coach of a team I would have coached to premierships (even though I was about 18yo at the time)

              Failed coach at the Bulldogs and sacked a few years later

              Paul Roos delivered a premiership to Sydney after rebuilding the team

              Results at Melbourne were poor


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              Post: # 1926248Post Impatient Sainter »

              Waltzing St Kilda wrote: Sun 12 Sep 2021 1:10am Personally I'd be questioning Ken Hinkley's job right now. Surely a lot at Port are.

              Been there nine years. Hasn't got the job done. A truly insipid perfromance tonight.

              Maybe a change of style is required?
              Hinkley did well to squeeze out what he did with their midfield. Finals are won by midfielders and Port had not one winner last night. They rely too heavily on Wines and Boak, whereas the Dogs have 5 or 6 players of similiar quality who can go through the middle.


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              Post: # 1926251Post Devilhead »

              Top 4 next year or it is a failed year

              Either way I would be looking to bring in Clarkson anyway

              Ratten a bit too buddy buddy for my liking ..... as a coach

              We need more ruthlessness

              Just my take


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              Post: # 1926313Post Teflon »

              Devilhead wrote: Sun 12 Sep 2021 4:42pm Top 4 next year or it is a failed year

              Either way I would be looking to bring in Clarkson anyway

              Ratten a bit too buddy buddy for my liking ..... as a coach

              We need more ruthlessness

              Just my take
              It is genuinely my biggest concern
              He just lacks an edge...,
              Bevo has it , Clarkson , Hardwick , Longmire all have a bit of “know when to cuddle/know when to go the throat”


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