The 'St Kilda Trap'.. be carefl Sydney...

[cwrcyn]

Cheating is in their DNA. Salary cap cheating, drug cheating, trying to stitch up other clubs in trades. They know no other way

[Mr Magic]

Goddard is a flog and always has been. He over rated himself as a player and priced himself out of the club and the Dopers were stupid enough to pay him what he wanted. There would be no slow HBF on the $$$ he was asking even now. I never liked his blame everyone else attitude as a player and like him even less now. Chips Fisher should have been on more than Goddard, but Goddard thought he was entitled to the same as Riewoldt. Pelchen made him an offer he didnt like and has held a grudge against our club ever since.

I never liked his blame everyone else attitude

So...where do you think BJ learnt that? It was ok for his coach. It was ok for his captain

Players (i.e. individuals) more interested in themselves and a little extra cash rather than team success and getting that elusive second premiership for the club. Some of the player leadership were selfish and pretended to be ignorant of the TPP and salary cap rules.

The St Kilda football club was desperately in need of a leader to help everyone refocus. The leaders in the footy department and the board were negligent and incompetent.

Lenny Hayes should have been appointed as captain in 2012..and probably earlier

I loved BJ when he played for us.
I was blinded to any of his faults until he became an Essendope player.

I loved Luke Ball when he played for us. I despise the way he engineered his way out of our Club to Colonwood.

And you probably loved the messiah Lyon who started the rot at our footy club be teaching his players that it's ok to be ruthless in your pursuit of winning. Don't worry if your mates and an ex club captain and a few injured players are discarded and delisted so that you can enjoy personal success. What a role model! What a fantastic culture!

Good to see you haven’t lost your soapbox.

[Scollop]

Goddard is a flog and always has been. He over rated himself as a player and priced himself out of the club and the Dopers were stupid enough to pay him what he wanted. There would be no slow HBF on the $$$ he was asking even now. I never liked his blame everyone else attitude as a player and like him even less now. Chips Fisher should have been on more than Goddard, but Goddard thought he was entitled to the same as Riewoldt. Pelchen made him an offer he didnt like and has held a grudge against our club ever since.

I never liked his blame everyone else attitude

So...where do you think BJ learnt that? It was ok for his coach. It was ok for his captain

Players (i.e. individuals) more interested in themselves and a little extra cash rather than team success and getting that elusive second premiership for the club. Some of the player leadership were selfish and pretended to be ignorant of the TPP and salary cap rules.

The St Kilda football club was desperately in need of a leader to help everyone refocus. The leaders in the footy department and the board were negligent and incompetent.

Lenny Hayes should have been appointed as captain in 2012..and probably earlier

I loved BJ when he played for us.
I was blinded to any of his faults until he became an Essendope player.

I loved Luke Ball when he played for us. I despise the way he engineered his way out of our Club to Colonwood.

And you probably loved the messiah Lyon who started the rot at our footy club be teaching his players that it's ok to be ruthless in your pursuit of winning. Don't worry if your mates and an ex club captain and a few injured players are discarded and delisted so that you can enjoy personal success. What a role model! What a fantastic culture!

Good to see you haven’t lost your soapbox.

Yes mate.

Food for thought for the 'In Ross we Trust' disciples.... It's uncomfortable isn't it?

I'm relentless when it comes to balancing out the bias and mythology that was generated in the mainstream media and that I encountered when first joining this forum

[Mr Magic]

Goddard is a flog and always has been. He over rated himself as a player and priced himself out of the club and the Dopers were stupid enough to pay him what he wanted. There would be no slow HBF on the $$$ he was asking even now. I never liked his blame everyone else attitude as a player and like him even less now. Chips Fisher should have been on more than Goddard, but Goddard thought he was entitled to the same as Riewoldt. Pelchen made him an offer he didnt like and has held a grudge against our club ever since.

I never liked his blame everyone else attitude

So...where do you think BJ learnt that? It was ok for his coach. It was ok for his captain

Players (i.e. individuals) more interested in themselves and a little extra cash rather than team success and getting that elusive second premiership for the club. Some of the player leadership were selfish and pretended to be ignorant of the TPP and salary cap rules.

The St Kilda football club was desperately in need of a leader to help everyone refocus. The leaders in the footy department and the board were negligent and incompetent.

Lenny Hayes should have been appointed as captain in 2012..and probably earlier

I loved BJ when he played for us.
I was blinded to any of his faults until he became an Essendope player.

I loved Luke Ball when he played for us. I despise the way he engineered his way out of our Club to Colonwood.

And you probably loved the messiah Lyon who started the rot at our footy club be teaching his players that it's ok to be ruthless in your pursuit of winning. Don't worry if your mates and an ex club captain and a few injured players are discarded and delisted so that you can enjoy personal success. What a role model! What a fantastic culture!

Good to see you haven’t lost your soapbox.

Yes mate.

Food for thought for the 'In Ross we Trust' disciples.... It's uncomfortable isn't it?

I'm relentless when it comes to balancing out the bias and mythology that was generated in the mainstream media and that I encountered when first joining this forum

Glad someone appointed you to be the arbiter of bias and mythology

[Scollop]

No problem. Maybe I should listen to all the media voices....and then make my mind up what to think like the rest of the population

[Mr Magic]

No problem. Maybe I should listen to all the media voices....and then make my mind up what to think like the rest of the population

No stay the course.
It’s worked so well for you so far.

[The_Dud]

Geez it doesn’t take long for some supporters to turn on one of our club greats!

[Mr Magic]

Geez it doesn’t take long for some supporters to turn on one of our club greats!

Scollop?

[asiu]

if i was running it

Lenny would have been captain
Nick our franchise beast
Kosi the 'main man' up forward

[Scollop]

Geez it doesn’t take long for some supporters to turn on one of our club greats!

Scollop?

That’s it…just brush off the remark

You turn on club greats like BJ and a former captain of the club in Luke Ball. They gave their all for our club and they were let down by an incompetent and weak board and management that allowed Ross Lyon to tear down the fabric of our great team. A team of young men and future leaders that was built long before he set foot at our club.

Lyon and the board of directors and the CEO basically led us down the toilet. Lyon’s penchant for focussing on his stars also led to the salary cap issues. If he played more of the youngsters, perhaps some of the senior players wouldn’t have thought they were so irreplaceable and wouldn’t have demanded what they did

Ross Lyon publicly humiliated Ball in the media during 2009. Ross was the catalyst for his exodus and everyone knows it. He talked him down and the club backed their coach. ‘In Ross we Trust’. Lyon is the reason that Luke Ball went to Collingwood.

But I suppose you (and others who pined for Rossy boy to come back to St Kilda) had forgiven Rossy for all his faults… and all his scapegoating of players. Ross said it was the ‘end of an era’ when some of our superstars were still only 27 or 28. A winning culture suddenly became a defeatist culture!!

Lyon to his players: “You are not good enough”

The sheep and the dumb St Kilda supporters that drank the Lyon branded cool-aid: “Ok, we better start rebuilding then”

Rossy told the players they were all washed up in 2011 (once he’d landed his plum job at Freo). I mean, jeeeezz… If Ross says it and if the media says it’s true…it must be! His disciples were so mesmerised by the super coach that whatever words he spoke were never questioned. You don’t ‘despise’ the way he scarred them like that and you forgave him for that didn’t you?!

[Mr Magic]

Geez it doesn’t take long for some supporters to turn on one of our club greats!

Scollop?

That’s it…just brush off the remark

You turn on club greats like BJ and a former captain of the club in Luke Ball. They gave their all for our club and they were let down by an incompetent and weak board and management that allowed Ross Lyon to tear down the fabric of our great team. A team of young men and future leaders that was built long before he set foot at our club.

Lyon and the board of directors and the CEO basically led us down the toilet. Lyon’s penchant for focussing on his stars also led to the salary cap issues. If he played more of the youngsters, perhaps some of the senior players wouldn’t have thought they were so irreplaceable and wouldn’t have demanded what they did

Ross Lyon publicly humiliated Ball in the media during 2009. Ross was the catalyst for his exodus and everyone knows it. He talked him down and the club backed their coach. ‘In Ross we Trust’. Lyon is the reason that Luke Ball went to Collingwood.

But I suppose you (and others who pined for Rossy boy to come back to St Kilda) had forgiven Rossy for all his faults… and all his scapegoating of players. Ross said it was the ‘end of an era’ when some of our superstars were still only 27 or 28. A winning culture suddenly became a defeatist culture!!

Lyon to his players: “You are not good enough”

The sheep and the dumb St Kilda supporters that drank the Lyon branded cool-aid: “Ok, we better start rebuilding then”

Rossy told the players they were all washed up in 2011 (once he’d landed his plum job at Freo). I mean, jeeeezz… If Ross says it and if the media says it’s true…it must be! His disciples were so mesmerised by the super coach that whatever words he spoke were never questioned. You don’t ‘despise’ the way he scarred them like that and you forgave him for that didn’t you?!

You seem obsessed.
You do know this is a Football Forum where people are allowed to express opinions?
Even opinions you don’t agree with.
No matter how shrill your posts become you’re unlikely to sway posters into agreeing with your opinion even if you believe your opinion is superior to theirs.

[Scollop]

Thanks captain obvious. Got anything original to add.

[Vortex]

Thanks captain obvious. Got anything original to add.

I think that is the irony in the kernel of MMs point, time to drop the bone and move on don't you think. Just let it go. Be at peace and one with the now and the future. Time to turn up the sound and listen to what the world is saying.

Grow your hair long if it gets you in the mood.

[asiu]

Grow your hair long if it gets you in the mood.

nicely articulated



whats going on , in deed.

[Vortex]

Grow your hair long if it gets you in the mood.

nicely articulated



whats going on , in deed.

A wise man once said: there's a difference between scratching ya bum and tearing shreads from it.

[saynta]

Goddard is a flog and always has been. He over rated himself as a player and priced himself out of the club and the Dopers were stupid enough to pay him what he wanted. There would be no slow HBF on the $$$ he was asking even now. I never liked his blame everyone else attitude as a player and like him even less now.

If he had any idea about the game he would be highlighting, the reason we under performed this year were injuries/fitness. God I hope Eeendon fall flat on their face next year and karma bites him on the arse!

I loved BJ when he played for us.
I was blinded to any of his faults until he became an Essendope player.

I loved Luke Ball when he played for us. I despise the way he engineered his way out of our Club to Colonwood.

I loved Nicky Dal when he played for us. I don't begrudge him going to NM. He never did/said anything that was disrespectful of/to St Kilda.

Of the three, Dal is the only one who would be welcome back at the club. Coaching the girls now too.

[saynta]

Goddard is a flog and always has been. He over rated himself as a player and priced himself out of the club and the Dopers were stupid enough to pay him what he wanted. There would be no slow HBF on the $$$ he was asking even now. I never liked his blame everyone else attitude as a player and like him even less now. Chips Fisher should have been on more than Goddard, but Goddard thought he was entitled to the same as Riewoldt. Pelchen made him an offer he didnt like and has held a grudge against our club ever since.

If he had any idea about the game he would be highlighting, the reason we under performed this year were injuries/fitness. God I hope Eeendon fall flat on their face next year and karma bites him on the arse!

Goddard was a top performer in GF's, where cream rises to the top!
Pelchen was either sent to stuff us up or is a moron.
If Riewoldt had've performed to BJ's standards in GF's we would now have 3 flags and a statue of him, Lenny and BJ.

Sent in to look after his mates at Hawthorn . And he certainly did.

[saynta]

Goddard is a flog and always has been. He over rated himself as a player and priced himself out of the club and the Dopers were stupid enough to pay him what he wanted. There would be no slow HBF on the $$$ he was asking even now. I never liked his blame everyone else attitude as a player and like him even less now. Chips Fisher should have been on more than Goddard, but Goddard thought he was entitled to the same as Riewoldt. Pelchen made him an offer he didnt like and has held a grudge against our club ever since.

I never liked his blame everyone else attitude

So...where do you think BJ learnt that? It was ok for his coach. It was ok for his captain

Players (i.e. individuals) more interested in themselves and a little extra cash rather than team success and getting that elusive second premiership for the club. Some of the player leadership were selfish and pretended to be ignorant of the TPP and salary cap rules.

The St Kilda football club was desperately in need of a leader to help everyone refocus. The leaders in the footy department and the board were negligent and incompetent.

Lenny Hayes should have been appointed as captain in 2012..and probably earlier

I loved BJ when he played for us.
I was blinded to any of his faults until he became an Essendope player.

I loved Luke Ball when he played for us. I despise the way he engineered his way out of our Club to Colonwood.

And you probably loved the messiah Lyon who started the rot at our footy club be teaching his players that it's ok to be ruthless in your pursuit of winning. Don't worry if your mates and an ex club captain and a few injured players are discarded and delisted so that you can enjoy personal success. What a role model! What a fantastic culture!

So true, and it really hurts and sucks, even to this day.

[saynta]

Geez it doesn’t take long for some supporters to turn on one of our club greats!

Scollop?

That’s it…just brush off the remark

You turn on club greats like BJ and a former captain of the club in Luke Ball. They gave their all for our club and they were let down by an incompetent and weak board and management that allowed Ross Lyon to tear down the fabric of our great team. A team of young men and future leaders that was built long before he set foot at our club.

Lyon and the board of directors and the CEO basically led us down the toilet. Lyon’s penchant for focussing on his stars also led to the salary cap issues. If he played more of the youngsters, perhaps some of the senior players wouldn’t have thought they were so irreplaceable and wouldn’t have demanded what they did

Ross Lyon publicly humiliated Ball in the media during 2009. Ross was the catalyst for his exodus and everyone knows it. He talked him down and the club backed their coach. ‘In Ross we Trust’. Lyon is the reason that Luke Ball went to Collingwood.

But I suppose you (and others who pined for Rossy boy to come back to St Kilda) had forgiven Rossy for all his faults… and all his scapegoating of players. Ross said it was the ‘end of an era’ when some of our superstars were still only 27 or 28. A winning culture suddenly became a defeatist culture!!

Lyon to his players: “You are not good enough”

The sheep and the dumb St Kilda supporters that drank the Lyon branded cool-aid: “Ok, we better start rebuilding then”

Rossy told the players they were all washed up in 2011 (once he’d landed his plum job at Freo). I mean, jeeeezz… If Ross says it and if the media says it’s true…it must be! His disciples were so mesmerised by the super coach that whatever words he spoke were never questioned. You don’t ‘despise’ the way he scarred them like that and you forgave him for that didn’t you?!

You seem obsessed.
You do know this is a Football Forum where people are allowed to express opinions?
Even opinions you don’t agree with.
No matter how shrill your posts become you’re unlikely to sway posters into agreeing with your opinion even if you believe your opinion is superior to theirs.

Love your posts Mr M, but there is more than a bit of truth in what Scollop has posted about that turd Lyin and as that say, the truth hurts. Time to accept a little bit of what everyone says about that see you...

And for the record I think for myself and my views are my own. Not easily swayed by anyone.

Lyin lost me long before he walked out on the club. His treatment of Ball and Maxy was unforgivable as was his blatant throwing of the match against Sydney .

Just a very nasty and unlikable person imhfo.

[saynta]

Thanks captain obvious. Got anything original to add.

I think that is the irony in the kernel of MMs point, time to drop the bone and move on don't you think. Just let it go. Be at peace and one with the now and the future. Time to turn up the sound and listen to what the world is saying.

Grow your hair long if it gets you in the mood.

I can't get mine cut so I have no choice at the moment.

[Mr Magic]

Geez it doesn’t take long for some supporters to turn on one of our club greats!

Scollop?

That’s it…just brush off the remark

You turn on club greats like BJ and a former captain of the club in Luke Ball. They gave their all for our club and they were let down by an incompetent and weak board and management that allowed Ross Lyon to tear down the fabric of our great team. A team of young men and future leaders that was built long before he set foot at our club.

Lyon and the board of directors and the CEO basically led us down the toilet. Lyon’s penchant for focussing on his stars also led to the salary cap issues. If he played more of the youngsters, perhaps some of the senior players wouldn’t have thought they were so irreplaceable and wouldn’t have demanded what they did

Ross Lyon publicly humiliated Ball in the media during 2009. Ross was the catalyst for his exodus and everyone knows it. He talked him down and the club backed their coach. ‘In Ross we Trust’. Lyon is the reason that Luke Ball went to Collingwood.

But I suppose you (and others who pined for Rossy boy to come back to St Kilda) had forgiven Rossy for all his faults… and all his scapegoating of players. Ross said it was the ‘end of an era’ when some of our superstars were still only 27 or 28. A winning culture suddenly became a defeatist culture!!

Lyon to his players: “You are not good enough”

The sheep and the dumb St Kilda supporters that drank the Lyon branded cool-aid: “Ok, we better start rebuilding then”

Rossy told the players they were all washed up in 2011 (once he’d landed his plum job at Freo). I mean, jeeeezz… If Ross says it and if the media says it’s true…it must be! His disciples were so mesmerised by the super coach that whatever words he spoke were never questioned. You don’t ‘despise’ the way he scarred them like that and you forgave him for that didn’t you?!

You seem obsessed.
You do know this is a Football Forum where people are allowed to express opinions?
Even opinions you don’t agree with.
No matter how shrill your posts become you’re unlikely to sway posters into agreeing with your opinion even if you believe your opinion is superior to theirs.

Love your posts Mr M, but there is more than a bit of truth in what Scollop has posted about that turd Lyin and as that say, the truth hurts. Time to accept a little bit of what everyone says about that see you...

And for the record I think for myself and my views are my own. Not easily swayed by anyone.

Lyin lost me long before he walked out on the club. His treatment of Ball and Maxy was unforgivable as was his blatant throwing of the match against Sydney .

Just a very nasty and unlikable person imhfo.

No problem Saynta.
I find it interesting that I never raised Lyon at all in this thread. My comments were strictly about Goddard, Ball and Dal. I criticized Ball for the way he and his management engineered his move to Colonwood.

Scollop, in his usual inimitable style, has ascribed thoughts/feelings to me that were never posted and has taken umbrage at my never expressed 'thoughts on that.
Talk about a convoluted way to get outraged.

[asiu]

... in his usual inimitable style, has ascribed thoughts/feelings to me that were never posted and has taken umbrage at my never expressed 'thoughts on that.

thats a good read
... reminds me of how the old man 'n his clone son
used to come at me


straight to the outrage
before the discussion started

[shanegrambeau]

Grow your hair long if it gets you in the mood.

nicely articulated



whats going on , in deed.

Steve Kilbey lyric,

'Cut my losses, grow my hair, see some antic take me there'

Typical wishy-washy, but very poshy!

But wait...I thought it was 'antic' for thirty years...turns out it is 'man'...

Typical me!! F$$%k

[Impatient Sainter]

Goddard is a flog and always has been. He over rated himself as a player and priced himself out of the club and the Dopers were stupid enough to pay him what he wanted. There would be no slow HBF on the $$$ he was asking even now. I never liked his blame everyone else attitude as a player and like him even less now. Chips Fisher should have been on more than Goddard, but Goddard thought he was entitled to the same as Riewoldt. Pelchen made him an offer he didnt like and has held a grudge against our club ever since.

If he had any idea about the game he would be highlighting, the reason we under performed this year were injuries/fitness. God I hope Eeendon fall flat on their face next year and karma bites him on the arse!

Goddard was a top performer in GF's, where cream rises to the top!
Pelchen was either sent to stuff us up or is a moron.
If Riewoldt had've performed to BJ's standards in GF's we would now have 3 flags and a statue of him, Lenny and BJ.

Agree but I still cant get past how BJ holds such a grudge against a club he played 205 games for. Pelchen is well gone and anyone involved in his dealings would also be well gone. I can understand he felt let down at the time, but its nearly a decade ago? Move on BJ...

[Scollop]

Geez it doesn’t take long for some supporters to turn on one of our club greats!

Scollop?

That’s it…just brush off the remark

You turn on club greats like BJ and a former captain of the club in Luke Ball. They gave their all for our club and they were let down by an incompetent and weak board and management that allowed Ross Lyon to tear down the fabric of our great team. A team of young men and future leaders that was built long before he set foot at our club.

Lyon and the board of directors and the CEO basically led us down the toilet. Lyon’s penchant for focussing on his stars also led to the salary cap issues. If he played more of the youngsters, perhaps some of the senior players wouldn’t have thought they were so irreplaceable and wouldn’t have demanded what they did

Ross Lyon publicly humiliated Ball in the media during 2009. Ross was the catalyst for his exodus and everyone knows it. He talked him down and the club backed their coach. ‘In Ross we Trust’. Lyon is the reason that Luke Ball went to Collingwood.

But I suppose you (and others who pined for Rossy boy to come back to St Kilda) had forgiven Rossy for all his faults… and all his scapegoating of players. Ross said it was the ‘end of an era’ when some of our superstars were still only 27 or 28. A winning culture suddenly became a defeatist culture!!

Lyon to his players: “You are not good enough”

The sheep and the dumb St Kilda supporters that drank the Lyon branded cool-aid: “Ok, we better start rebuilding then”

Rossy told the players they were all washed up in 2011 (once he’d landed his plum job at Freo). I mean, jeeeezz… If Ross says it and if the media says it’s true…it must be! His disciples were so mesmerised by the super coach that whatever words he spoke were never questioned. You don’t ‘despise’ the way he scarred them like that and you forgave him for that didn’t you?!

You seem obsessed.
You do know this is a Football Forum where people are allowed to express opinions?
Even opinions you don’t agree with.
No matter how shrill your posts become you’re unlikely to sway posters into agreeing with your opinion even if you believe your opinion is superior to theirs.

Love your posts Mr M, but there is more than a bit of truth in what Scollop has posted about that turd Lyin and as that say, the truth hurts. Time to accept a little bit of what everyone says about that see you...

And for the record I think for myself and my views are my own. Not easily swayed by anyone.

Lyin lost me long before he walked out on the club. His treatment of Ball and Maxy was unforgivable as was his blatant throwing of the match against Sydney .

Just a very nasty and unlikable person imhfo.

No problem Saynta.
I find it interesting that I never raised Lyon at all in this thread. My comments were strictly about Goddard, Ball and Dal. I criticized Ball for the way he and his management engineered his move to Colonwood.

Scollop, in his usual inimitable style, has ascribed thoughts/feelings to me that were never posted and has taken umbrage at my never expressed 'thoughts on that.
Talk about a convoluted way to get outraged.

Just a few quick question MM. You have publicly bagged BJ and Ball, so how about you come clean on Ross

What are your feelings in regard to his overall time with us and his legacy at our football club? Would you have Ross Lyon back at St Kilda?

Who would you consider to be more of a 'St Kilda' icon; BJ Goddard or R Lyon?

Would you have BJ and Ball back? Who's word would you trust more; Lyon's or Luke Ball's?

Don't you find it ironic that some people respect Ross for taking the best offer and more money (to look after his family) and yet they bag Luke Ball for doing exactly the same thing?

Yes MM, I have outrage, but it's only aimed at Lyon and not at people who have a different opinion to mine.

Happy to hear opinions of others. I don't think enough people realise that Ross Lyon mentally scarred his players and kept finding excuses for himself by implying (on several occasions throughout 2011 but also in post match press conferences including in the 2009 GF) that St Kilda players were not good enough.