Sandringham v Bombers

[Teflon]

Final Scores
Sandy 13-12-90 v Bombers 15-14-104

Sandy best Campbell 37 hit outs, Windy, Leinert, Joyce.
Sharman is a great kick at goal, he just struggles to get it.
Heath, on today’s effort is way off.

If Sharman kicked 3 he’s done his job
If I’m AFL we had a game plan to honour and look for the lead up player - not max king all the time Sharman would be fine
We don’t
I think it’s time to tell Membrey for the next block of games his role is not secure

No you play all 3 in the forwardline .... its not friggin brain surgery

I actually think it’s like this
1. King
2. Sharman (for now let’s see what he’s got)
3. Membrey /Higgins (whoever cements the spot can’t be both)
4.Long - pressure
5. Gresham
6. Billing’s /Hill HFF

Gresham must be played rotating short burst in middle
I think the days of Membrey/Higgins as a certain starter are over

[older saint]

Final Scores
Sandy 13-12-90 v Bombers 15-14-104

Sandy best Campbell 37 hit outs, Windy, Leinert, Joyce.
Sharman is a great kick at goal, he just struggles to get it.
Heath, on today’s effort is way off.

If Sharman kicked 3 he’s done his job
If I’m AFL we had a game plan to honour and look for the lead up player - not max king all the time Sharman would be fine
We don’t
I think it’s time to tell Membrey for the next block of games his role is not secure

No you play all 3 in the forwardline .... its not friggin brain surgery

I actually think it’s like this
1. King
2. Sharman (for now let’s see what he’s got)
3. Membrey /Higgins (whoever cements the spot can’t be both)
4.Long - pressure
5. Gresham
6. Billing’s /Hill HFF

Gresham must be played rotating short burst in middle
I think the days of Membrey/Higgins as a certain starter are over

If Membrey isn't there last night we are 8 goals down at half time!

Higgins kicks goals goals out of 11.

All young key forwards need a "Robin" and Membrey is the perfect " Robin" for King. Do the grunt running, do the body work, blocking etc. Look how Naughton has struggled this year without Bruce.
I know you love Sharman ( perhaps even related?) , we all have our favourite players but perhaps there is a reason he isn't there - outside of the coaches dont like him, or he is unfairly treated - how many forward tackles has he made? how much selfless lead up running does he do, how much defensive running does he do?
There is so much more to being an AFL forward now days than just kicking goals.
I hope he succeeds as good for the club, but needs to earn a spot not get it by default or potential we aren't north

[Wayne42]

Eleni Glouftsis is umpiring in this game.

Chelsea Roffey goal umpire

Was she, i didn't notice her.

[Teflon]

Final Scores
Sandy 13-12-90 v Bombers 15-14-104

Sandy best Campbell 37 hit outs, Windy, Leinert, Joyce.
Sharman is a great kick at goal, he just struggles to get it.
Heath, on today’s effort is way off.

If Sharman kicked 3 he’s done his job
If I’m AFL we had a game plan to honour and look for the lead up player - not max king all the time Sharman would be fine
We don’t
I think it’s time to tell Membrey for the next block of games his role is not secure

No you play all 3 in the forwardline .... its not friggin brain surgery

I actually think it’s like this
1. King
2. Sharman (for now let’s see what he’s got)
3. Membrey /Higgins (whoever cements the spot can’t be both)
4.Long - pressure
5. Gresham
6. Billing’s /Hill HFF

Gresham must be played rotating short burst in middle
I think the days of Membrey/Higgins as a certain starter are over

If Membrey isn't there last night we are 8 goals down at half time!

Higgins kicks goals goals out of 11.

All young key forwards need a "Robin" and Membrey is the perfect " Robin" for King. Do the grunt running, do the body work, blocking etc. Look how Naughton has struggled this year without Bruce.
I know you love Sharman ( perhaps even related?) , we all have our favourite players but perhaps there is a reason he isn't there - outside of the coaches dont like him, or he is unfairly treated - how many forward tackles has he made? how much selfless lead up running does he do, how much defensive running does he do?
There is so much more to being an AFL forward now days than just kicking goals.
I hope he succeeds as good for the club, but needs to earn a spot not get it by default or potential we aren't north

How dumb
Membrey had to go back half - is that your 8 goals down???
He’s a **** forward and as no 2 can’t draw a defender that’s why we go to King 38% tine then Higgins THEN Membrey
Point is he ain’t a no 2 forward
No surprise he kicks multiple goals with Sharman in the side cause it takes pressure off him
FFS try watching the game

[Wayne42]

For us Membrey was a number 2 forward, he used to take marks and have multiple set shots at goal. Some games he was a dead eye dick and
other games he would miss to either side of the goal posts. I remember the frustration and media comments when Ben Dixon altered Membrey's set shot
routine and for a little while he couldn't hit the side of a barn. I think he dumped Dixon's methods and went back to what worked for him.

My point is Membrey now struggles to get the ball as a forward so we'd actually have no idea what his set shot routine is like as we don't see it very often,
well, not like we used to.

Why is that, how could his game change so much in a short time, is it the game plan, has he lost his leap, does he play injured, has his role changed completely.

Apart from King we don't have anyone else who can play Key Forward, that's a flaw with our list build. You wouldn't want to put money on Allison making it, which is
one miracle the club is hoping for.

Sharman has issues with his game, that's obvious, maybe those issues are why he is not in the team. You can't fill the forward line up with players who can't get the ball
and hope they kick a winning score.

[skeptic]

What is this weird expectation that Coops needs to get 40 possessions, 25 marks and kick 13 goals for a compliment

If he came in and got 3 marks, 3 kicks and 3 goals is count that as a big win for someone who has been on the list for a year

[Teflon]

What is this weird expectation that Coops needs to get 40 possessions, 25 marks and kick 13 goals for a compliment

If he came in and got 3 marks, 3 kicks and 3 goals is count that as a big win for someone who has been on the list for a year

That’s my point!!!!!
Plus since last year he’s had no block of games to even prove himself
He gets 3 shots
He gives you 3 goals ffs
Last time he played he kicked very important goals - yes it was 1 but…….Membrey got off the chain and kicked a couple
All of a sudden we are multi dimensional
Right now Higgins , Butler and Membrey are hardly drawing any heat away from King
Try Sharman for a run let’s see - let’s not go back to Butler cause it’s fools gold …,he crumbles when it matters ffs we know that now!
I’d tell Membrey/Higgins - fight it out for 3rd forward banana and Cooper you’ve got a month
You might just find your future forward structure for next year - we ain’t winning a flag in 2022

[Wayne42]

Sharman has played 4 games this year and kicked 3 goals and 1 behind in total, not per game, but in total.
Probably why he is back at Sandy.

Sharman played 5 games in 2021 and kicked 10 goals 4 Behinds.

He averages 1.4 goals a game, he was better in 2021 than he has been in 2022, so far.

I think i'll wait until the Saints brains trust decides he deserves another shot in the AFL rather than the Forums selectors.

[Teflon]

Sharman has played 4 games this year and kicked 3 goals and 1 behind in total, not per game, but in total.
Probably why he is back at Sandy.

Sharman played 5 games in 2021 and kicked 10 goals 4 Behinds.

He averages 1.4 goals a game, he was better in 2021 than he has been in 2022, so far.

I think i'll wait until the Saints brains trust decides he deserves another shot in the AFL rather than the Forums selectors.

That’s good Wayne
Saints brains trust went well Fri night against bottom 2 side didn’t they??
How was your small forward set up???!
But as long as they have your support we’ll be right as rain!!!

[Wayne42]

Sharman has played 4 games this year and kicked 3 goals and 1 behind in total, not per game, but in total.
Probably why he is back at Sandy.

Sharman played 5 games in 2021 and kicked 10 goals 4 Behinds.

He averages 1.4 goals a game, he was better in 2021 than he has been in 2022, so far.

I think i'll wait until the Saints brains trust decides he deserves another shot in the AFL rather than the Forums selectors.

That’s good Wayne
Saints brains trust went well Fri night against bottom 2 side didn’t they??
How was your small forward set up???!
But as long as they have your support we’ll be right as rain!!!

Nothing about Sharrman in your reply, i wonder why.

[bangaulegend]

Sharman has played 4 games this year and kicked 3 goals and 1 behind in total, not per game, but in total.
Probably why he is back at Sandy.

Sharman played 5 games in 2021 and kicked 10 goals 4 Behinds.

He averages 1.4 goals a game, he was better in 2021 than he has been in 2022, so far.

I think i'll wait until the Saints brains trust decides he deserves another shot in the AFL rather than the Forums selectors.

Judson I have no faith in the brains trust & IMO Sharman is a better option than Butler . The 3 small forward plan has ran it's race it's not working & never did so we need come up with another strategy that actually works . Sharman IMO is worth a shot

[skeptic]

Sharman has played 4 games this year and kicked 3 goals and 1 behind in total, not per game, but in total.
Probably why he is back at Sandy.

Sharman played 5 games in 2021 and kicked 10 goals 4 Behinds.

He averages 1.4 goals a game, he was better in 2021 than he has been in 2022, so far.

I think i'll wait until the Saints brains trust decides he deserves another shot in the AFL rather than the Forums selectors.

That’s good Wayne
Saints brains trust went well Fri night against bottom 2 side didn’t they??
How was your small forward set up???!
But as long as they have your support we’ll be right as rain!!!

Nothing about Sharrman in your reply, i wonder why.

Speaking for myself…

I don’t think Sharman is the answer. He’s not going to come in and be the reason we start winning again.

To me… he a 10 odd game draftee that’s been on the list about a year, seems to mesh really well in our forward line, our forward structure seems to function better with him there and he has a knack for kicking the odd goal… and is an excellent shot at goal.
Especially under pressure.

Why it’s so hard for him to get a game as a player that shows promise is completely beyond me!

It’s not exactly like our forwards are functioning so well they’re keeping him out.

What is it that people don’t like that precludes him from getting opportunity unlike Long, Butler, Higgins, who have all had decent-good games and a bunch of stinkers too?

Why is the fan base so divisive on him getting a game!?

[Ghost Like]

Should games as a medi-sub count in their total? Seems a little unfair when quoting total stats such as goals & possessions per game.

Perhaps to be discussed in another thread, another time.

[kosifantutti]

Should games as a medi-sub count in their total? Seems a little unfair when quoting total stats such as goals & possessions per game.

Perhaps to be discussed in another thread, another time.

He played 3.5 games last year and 3 this year.
I’m not great at maths but 6.5 games for 13 goals is about 2 goals a game.

[bigcarl]

On Sharman, most aren't suggesting he will be a gun. Just that he can fill a structural need and possibly add a few goals.

Jack Hayes falling over means we don't have too many options as a second tall target outside of resting rucks. Unless you start plundering the backline, which is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Maybe between Sharman and Membrey they can give us enough tallish marking options. So we don't automatically bomb it to a quadruple-teamed Max King

[Bruce G McAbee]

From what I saw, Campbell played better than okay.
But the game was a lot like Friday nights, Sandringham would threaten, only to let Essendon kick a couple to stay comfortably in front.
Sharman does give us better forward structure, Windhager earned another game in the seniors on his performance.

[Teflon]

Final Scores
Sandy 13-12-90 v Bombers 15-14-104

Sandy best Campbell 37 hit outs, Windy, Leinert, Joyce.
Sharman is a great kick at goal, he just struggles to get it.
Heath, on today’s effort is way off.

If Sharman kicked 3 he’s done his job
If I’m AFL we had a game plan to honour and look for the lead up player - not max king all the time Sharman would be fine
We don’t
I think it’s time to tell Membrey for the next block of games his role is not secure

No you play all 3 in the forwardline .... its not friggin brain surgery

I actually think it’s like this
1. King
2. Sharman (for now let’s see what he’s got)
3. Membrey /Higgins (whoever cements the spot can’t be both)
4.Long - pressure
5. Gresham
6. Billing’s /Hill HFF

Gresham must be played rotating short burst in middle
I think the days of Membrey/Higgins as a certain starter are over

If Membrey isn't there last night we are 8 goals down at half time!

Higgins kicks goals goals out of 11.

All young key forwards need a "Robin" and Membrey is the perfect " Robin" for King. Do the grunt running, do the body work, blocking etc. Look how Naughton has struggled this year without Bruce.
I know you love Sharman ( perhaps even related?) , we all have our favourite players but perhaps there is a reason he isn't there - outside of the coaches dont like him, or he is unfairly treated - how many forward tackles has he made? how much selfless lead up running does he do, how much defensive running does he do?
There is so much more to being an AFL forward now days than just kicking goals.
I hope he succeeds as good for the club, but needs to earn a spot not get it by default or potential we aren't north

Here’s a little wake up call on Membrey last night - he gets a free run from scrutiny most weeks…not now…

Outside of that patch in the 2nd quarter when he took all those intercept marks playing loose in defence, Skunk had just 5 disposals for the match.

Only 3 of his 10 touches for the game were in the front half. None were inside 50 and only one within about 70m from goal.

How is he Max Kings second banana????

[Ghost Like]

Spot on Teflon, that's two weeks in a row our F50 has been dysfunctional. Can we forget the small forward myth please? Only works if your small forwards are A) exceptional & B) there's system to the entries...we have neither let alone both for it to be effective.
Let Richmond bask in the memory, prior to luring Lynch to their club.

[Wayne42]

Should games as a medi-sub count in their total? Seems a little unfair when quoting total stats such as goals & possessions per game.

Perhaps to be discussed in another thread, another time.

He played 3.5 games last year and 3 this year.
I’m not great at maths but 6.5 games for 13 goals is about 2 goals a game.

Your maths is off.

He played 5 games last year and 4 this for a total of 9 games he has kicked 13 goals, 10 last year and 3 this year.

https://www.saints.com.au/players/3029/cooper-sharman

[Wayne42]

On Sharman, most aren't suggesting he will be a gun. Just that he can fill a structural need and possibly add a few goals.

Jack Hayes falling over means we don't have too many options as a second tall target outside of resting rucks. Unless you start plundering the backline, which is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Maybe between Sharman and Membrey they can give us enough tallish marking options. So we don't automatically bomb it to a quadruple-teamed Max King

With Hayes out it highlights our lack of depth in this area, not sure how many tall or tallish forwards you can have on a list and maintain list balance.

Maybe one of the issues is the club maintaining faith in Allison's very slow development.

[kosifantutti]

Should games as a medi-sub count in their total? Seems a little unfair when quoting total stats such as goals & possessions per game.

Perhaps to be discussed in another thread, another time.

He played 3.5 games last year and 3 this year.
I’m not great at maths but 6.5 games for 13 goals is about 2 goals a game.

Your maths is off.

He played 5 games last year and 4 this for a total of 9 games he has kicked 13 goals, 10 last year and 3 this year.

https://www.saints.com.au/players/3029/cooper-sharman

For the 2 games where he was an unused medi sub how many goals should he have kicked?
And in the first half against Carlton last year, how many goals should he have kicked before he was subbed on for Douglas Howard?

[Wayne42]

Should games as a medi-sub count in their total? Seems a little unfair when quoting total stats such as goals & possessions per game.

Perhaps to be discussed in another thread, another time.

He played 3.5 games last year and 3 this year.
I’m not great at maths but 6.5 games for 13 goals is about 2 goals a game.

Your maths is off.

He played 5 games last year and 4 this for a total of 9 games he has kicked 13 goals, 10 last year and 3 this year.

https://www.saints.com.au/players/3029/cooper-sharman

For the 2 games where he was an unused medi sub how many goals should he have kicked?
And in the first half against Carlton last year, how many goals should he have kicked before he was subbed on for Douglas Howard?

That's an interesting additional stat where they thought he was no better than a bench warmer, those 2 games still count as games played according to the AFL.

[bigcarl]

On Sharman, most aren't suggesting he will be a gun. Just that he can fill a structural need and possibly add a few goals.

Jack Hayes falling over means we don't have too many options as a second tall target outside of resting rucks. Unless you start plundering the backline, which is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Maybe between Sharman and Membrey they can give us enough tallish marking options. So we don't automatically bomb it to a quadruple-teamed Max King

With Hayes out it highlights our lack of depth in this area, not sure how many tall or tallish forwards you can have on a list and maintain list balance.

Maybe one of the issues is the club maintaining faith in Allison's very slow development.

Well I guess you would try something radical like bring Joyce in and swing Howard forward. He does have some form as a forward I heard.

[Banger9798]

Shame Hayes was injured, gave plenty as tall forward.
I still think Sharman is worth persisting with:
1. He is an effective decoy for Max
2. He is an excellent shot, probably best in the side
3. He is a smart player , knows when to lead and good awareness
4. He is young and should develop alongside Max for best few years with Higgins as the small.

[St Plugger]

Drop Long and Butler and bring in Windhager and Steele for more midfield grunt and consider Highmore for a backline player ...... DMac comes in for Clark if he is battling fitness

What's this dropping Long business? He probably played with the most commitment and passion of any St Kilda player on Friday night! He gave his all, kicked a goal, took a critical defensive mark and set up other scoring opportunities. it's Butler and Higgins that are of concern!