Port Adelaide are exposing our form

[CQ SAINT]

We haven’t played a good game since round 4. I few ok once and plenty of crap ones since then.

We haven't played the same since round 4. But we've only lost 2 last quarters.

Adelaide by 5 points, in a flogging and Hawthorn. No anomalies though. It's a curse and last year is repeating.

[mr six o'clock]

The game highlights player attitude.
If the match was over here Hawks probably would have done better but over there the players subconsciously don't believe they can win and play accordingly.
Port on the other hand , want to make a statement and did , then once the game essentially over they've gone into protection mode and hawthorn have been able to make the scoreboard more respectable.
Last week game was completely different, Hawks confidence was high and they played with spirit.
Our players were off from the start .
Hell we barely touched the ball in the first five minutes of the game and were lucky to be in the match most of the game .
This unpredictable attitude is what has plagued us for years . We've shown we can beat anybody , when we play our best football.
Unfortunately far too often the players look second rate .
I was hoping RTB coming back would see an attitude change, and early season form seemed to show this , but the last month were back to the Richo/Ratts year where we never knew what Stkilda was going to turn up .
Hopefully this will change next week
But F@#$

[B.M]

Only Seb kicked it to Sicily?

How’d he get 43

Seb only got 10 or so - 2 were goal assists?

Come to think of it Teffers - not sure he kicked to him once - but if he did, he wasn’t Robinson Crusoe - maybe if the coach put a little bit of time and strategy into Sicily we wouldn’t have lost to 17th???

BTW
I like Ross as a coach - I just like seeing you justify how things are different this year compared to last?

Coach main factor
Now
List main factor

It’s hilarious contradiction

[Teflon]

Only Seb kicked it to Sicily?

How’d he get 43

Seb only got 10 or so - 2 were goal assists?

Come to think of it Teffers - not sure he kicked to him once - but if he did, he wasn’t Robinson Crusoe - maybe if the coach put a little bit of time and strategy into Sicily we wouldn’t have lost to 17th???

BTW
I like Ross as a coach - I just like seeing you justify how things are different this year compared to last?

Coach main factor
Now
List main factor

It’s hilarious contradiction

If you can’t see the difference of this year to last you are arguing we should’ve kept Ratten
You could be…you’re that dumb
I can’t help you

[Teflon]

Experienced players who haven't performed or aren't performing need to just stay in the reserves I think now. They can help to support the youth at Sandringham, and hopefully help them to win a few games.
We still have players getting games off reputations and they are the same ones who don't stand up when the pressure is on.
The Hawthorn loss speaks for itself really.

Good post
We just have to look to the future
My only frustration with Lyon will be if we don’t start to change that midfield mix
It’s been let go under Ratten and Richo too long
Time to change it
Lyon has the time with 4 years
Make the change now
Don’t care if we lose a few get games into kids now

[samuraisaint]

Adelaide were beaten easily by the Suns tonight in a game which wasn't even played in Queensland.
In the last six weeks they have only won two matches, and the only comprehensive win they had was against us.
I am happy for the Suns to win against them, but I do feel quite disappointed by the fact that the Crows' recent form has really been mediocre apart from their game against us over there.

On the bright side, match results this round so far have all gone our way again and we are still fifth!

We do have a team capable of having a second half of the season like we had in 2021 when we won five out of our last ten, beating Richmond and Collingwood at the MCG, Brisbane in Qld, Sydney, and Freo in Hobart (when they had to win to make finals), and we even nearly beat Geelong in Geelong too. That's exposed form and if we can repeat that performance which we could, we should play finals - or go very close to it.

[saynta]

Port are already up by 6 goals and are likely to at least double that.

Hawks minus Sicily are a far different side than the one we played. No Sicily and we win by 5 or more goals .

[B.M]

Well at least I’m consistent

- I said it was the list last season
- I said it was the list ever since Chris Pelchen and Tony Elshaug made decisions that completely fkd the club
- I actually said the 2009-10 off season was the beginning of the end, fabric of the club torn, completely ripped in 2012


Ross Lyon is a proven good coach - no argument there. His ability to galvanise and implement a game plan and high performance program is evident- he is a leader

However
He is NOT above reproach - and has made some monumental fk ups. If he did not make these mistakes we’d be content supporters!

[Teflon]

Well at least I’m consistent

- I said it was the list last season
- I said it was the list ever since Chris Pelchen and Tony Elshaug made decisions that completely fkd the club
- I actually said the 2009-10 off season was the beginning of the end, fabric of the club torn, completely ripped in 2012


Ross Lyon is a proven good coach - no argument there. His ability to galvanise and implement a game plan and high performance program is evident- he is a leader

However
He is NOT above reproach - and has made some monumental fk ups. If he did not make these mistakes we’d be content supporters!

So you’re in the “we only lost GFs because of Ross Lyon” camp
Yep you’re consistent…consistently wrong.
And I thought coaches didn’t matter…
Still …at least Lyon got us to a shot …others couldn’t ..

[Life Long Saint]

No game plan can survive our level of skill.
Ross Lyon is a better coach than Ratten, no doubt.
But, as my Dad used to say on the way home from Moorabbin, "You can't make raspberry jam out of horse manure*".


* He might have used a more colourful word than manure

[saynta]

No game plan can survive our level of skill.
Ross Lyon is a better coach than Ratten, no doubt.
But, as my Dad used to say on the way home from Moorabbin, "You can't make raspberry jam out of horse manure*".


* He might have used a more colourful word than manure

Lyon a better coach than Ratten? I am not so sure about that.

Ratts appears to be doing a better job than Clarko at the Roos. Two very close losses that could quite easily have been wins.

And Clarko is being hailed as the coach of the century.

I wouldn't be blaming the saints players just yet either.

[Life Long Saint]

No game plan can survive our level of skill.
Ross Lyon is a better coach than Ratten, no doubt.
But, as my Dad used to say on the way home from Moorabbin, "You can't make raspberry jam out of horse manure*".


* He might have used a more colourful word than manure

Lyon a better coach than Ratten? I am not so sure about that.

Ratts appears to be doing a better job than Clarko at the Roos. Two very close losses that could quite easily have been wins.

And Clarko is being hailed as the coach of the century.

I wouldn't be blaming the saints players just yet either.

Lyon v Ratten...Records would suggest that your judgement may be clouded.
North have won two games under Clarko and none under Ratten.

The footy we were playing in the first six weeks was as good as we've played since Lyon left in 2011.

Our skill level is not where it should be. We won games on a game plan, energy, and ferocity. That's hard to sustain if that's all you've got.

[Teflon]

No game plan can survive our level of skill.
Ross Lyon is a better coach than Ratten, no doubt.
But, as my Dad used to say on the way home from Moorabbin, "You can't make raspberry jam out of horse manure*".


* He might have used a more colourful word than manure

Lyon a better coach than Ratten? I am not so sure about that.

Ratts appears to be doing a better job than Clarko at the Roos. Two very close losses that could quite easily have been wins.

And Clarko is being hailed as the coach of the century.

I wouldn't be blaming the saints players just yet either.

Lyon v Ratten...Records would suggest that your judgement may be clouded.
North have won two games under Clarko and none under Ratten.

The footy we were playing in the first six weeks was as good as we've played since Lyon left in 2011.

Our skill level is not where it should be. We won games on a game plan, energy, and ferocity. That's hard to sustain if that's all you've got.

Great post LLS
I too think we are better coached but not perfect yet it’s 11 ganes
I also think Lyon will know by eve this year who is/isn’t going to cut it
How anyone could suggest Ratten compares to Lyon is clearly brain dead …I mean that’s not even funny …just hatred and stupidity again getting in the way of rational thought

[samoht]

I don't think Sicily will ever get close to 43 possessions again, even against West Coast.

Hopefully RL 3.0 still has some improvement in him. Sicily did it too easily against us.
Brings back memories of Harbrow getting his career high possessions against us, and other half back lines having their way with us under RL 1.0.

Both Harbrow and Sicily reached their pinnacle vs an RL coached side - put it that way.

We should note that Sicily's only 187cm tall (Seb Ross's height?) - taking that many intercept marks against us was ridiculous.
Sicily asked too many questions - for which RL had no answers, whatsoever.

[saynta]

No game plan can survive our level of skill.
Ross Lyon is a better coach than Ratten, no doubt.
But, as my Dad used to say on the way home from Moorabbin, "You can't make raspberry jam out of horse manure*".


* He might have used a more colourful word than manure

Lyon a better coach than Ratten? I am not so sure about that.

Ratts appears to be doing a better job than Clarko at the Roos. Two very close losses that could quite easily have been wins.

And Clarko is being hailed as the coach of the century.

I wouldn't be blaming the saints players just yet either.

Lyon v Ratten...Records would suggest that your judgement may be clouded.
North have won two games under Clarko and none under Ratten.

The footy we were playing in the first six weeks was as good as we've played since Lyon left in 2011.

Our skill level is not where it should be. We won games on a game plan, energy, and ferocity. That's hard to sustain if that's all you've got.

Great post LLS
I too think we are better coached but not perfect yet it’s 11 ganes
I also think Lyon will know by eve this year who is/isn’t going to cut it
How anyone could suggest Ratten compares to Lyon is clearly brain dead …I mean that’s not even funny …just hatred and stupidity again getting in the way of rational thought

Well I for one think your posts are funny. Hilarious in fact. I also think that Ratts coached us better last year than the Flosser Tosser has this year.

But then, you are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine, without the obnoxious insults from you.

[samoht]

.... Well I for one think your posts are funny. Hilarious in fact. I also think that Ratts coached us better last year than the Flosser Tosser has this year.

There may be some premature adulation going on (re: RL) - I agree, saynta.

[Life Long Saint]

Great post LLS
I too think we are better coached but not perfect yet it’s 11 ganes
I also think Lyon will know by eve this year who is/isn’t going to cut it
How anyone could suggest Ratten compares to Lyon is clearly brain dead …I mean that’s not even funny …just hatred and stupidity again getting in the way of rational thought

Thanks for the vote of support, but I am not sure the name calling that followed is warranted.

Ross Lyon's departure hurt our club terribly. There was clearly fault on both sides. But he left our club in the wilderness for years following.
I can understand why there is some animosty towards him.

His career record is significantly better than Watters, Richo, and Ratten. That is just a fact.
I don't know any of them personally, so I can't judge what sort of blokes they were. But the way that the overhwelming majority of Ross Lyon coached players talk about him says that he is clearly doing something right.
I've never heard the same level of admiration and respect directed towards any of our coaches since Lyon.

[Devilhead]

We won't be 5th for long if we lose to the Swines

[Teflon]

Great post LLS
I too think we are better coached but not perfect yet it’s 11 ganes
I also think Lyon will know by eve this year who is/isn’t going to cut it
How anyone could suggest Ratten compares to Lyon is clearly brain dead …I mean that’s not even funny …just hatred and stupidity again getting in the way of rational thought

Thanks for the vote of support, but I am not sure the name calling that followed is warranted.

Ross Lyon's departure hurt our club terribly. There was clearly fault on both sides. But he left our club in the wilderness for years following.
I can understand why there is some animosty towards him.

His career record is significantly better than Watters, Richo, and Ratten. That is just a fact.
I don't know any of them personally, so I can't judge what sort of blokes they were. But the way that the overhwelming majority of Ross Lyon coached players talk about him says that he is clearly doing something right.
I've never heard the same level of admiration and respect directed towards any of our coaches since Lyon.

All good LLS
I left out the babe if that helps but stabs by the view.
Agree re Lyon and feedback from his players - he’s admired across the Board and Carlton are kicking themselves

[Teflon]

.... Well I for one think your posts are funny. Hilarious in fact. I also think that Ratts coached us better last year than the Flosser Tosser has this year.

There may be some premature adulation going on (re: RL) - I agree, saynta.

Maybe but the stats back up the argument we’ve played much more 4 qtr consistently already this year
Anyway time will tell
Lyon only has to do better than 3-8 second half year to eclipse last years debacle
I’ll back him - even with twice the injuries Ratten had..

[B.M]

No

He has to win 5 of the last 11 to better Ratten

With the same list

Time will tell

On current form we beat WC all other games are potential losses

[Otiman]

No

He has to win 5 of the last 11 to better Ratten

With the same list

Time will tell

On current form we beat WC all other games are potential losses

I'd argue the list is better. Maybe 1-2 games better.

Our run home draw is at least 2 games better.

[Life Long Saint]

I'd argue the list is better. Maybe 1-2 games better.
Our run home draw is at least 2 games better.

I'd disagree on the first point. We really miss Paddy Ryder.
And, as infrequent as it was, we were a better team with Hannebery in it.

Stocker is a clear upgrade on Geary, not that he played last season.
Caminiti is still very young and, if we were at full fitness, wouldn't be in our starting 22.
The Pou is special. But ideally would have some time at Sandy learning the craft.

The draw is much better...Although if we dish performances like the one against Hawthorn, it won't matter.

[samoht]

I agree with Otiman.
We had a very hard run home last year. It wasn't only the second-half injuries that we had to contend with.
West Coast is a certain win.
And our list is better, this year.

[saynta]

I'd argue the list is better. Maybe 1-2 games better.
Our run home draw is at least 2 games better.

I'd disagree on the first point. We really miss Paddy Ryder.
And, as infrequent as it was, we were a better team with Hannebery in it.

Stocker is a clear upgrade on Geary, not that he played last season.
Caminiti is still very young and, if we were at full fitness, wouldn't be in our starting 22.
The Pou is special. But ideally would have some time at Sandy learning the craft.

The draw is much better...Although if we dish performances like the one against Hawthorn, it won't matter.

Long is doing better than just OK at the suns too.