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Phillipou Close to Signing
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
You make sense - but ...... this is what people look like if they were alive for their clubs last PremiershipKilla wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 9:46am What I am attempting to call out is the nonsense some (continually) contribute to this site
If you are of the opinion the Irish recruit is just having an end to end kick, otherwise in the bar and that the Collingwood Coach would be more benificial to his education, then go follow Collingwood or whoever the current Collingwood Coach coaches next
The subject matter may be Phillipou resigning with St Kilda
But look at what is contributed in regard that subject
Phillipou played at Under 18 level in the SANFL ahead of his AFL debut - and for the Club both his Grandfather and Father represented with distinction
Phillipou did not play at SANFL level - or even Seconds
By comparison, James Aish had played in 2 SANFL Senior premiership sides ahead of being Drafted, the first as a 16 year old
And James has taken time to establish at AFL level, now at his third Club with how many games under his belt
No doubt, at the Club including on the training track Phillipou is showing attributes, hence being deployed to midfield responsibilities on match days
And, in the first instance, being selected at AFL level
That is the assessment of the Coaching and selection panels
Regardless of what we are subjected to by some on this site
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
Killa,Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:33am It's also about developing your talent.
We've got an Irishman on our list who was arguably the best young Gaelic footballer in his country. We know he's talented and competitive. We know he's an athlete.
What resources are we utilising to get this guy ready and to teach him AFL skills?
Do we have a 'Craig Mcrea' type to teach him the way Craig taught and helped to develop Mason Cox?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hel ... xlctr.html
AND...if we do employ people as competent as Craig Mcrae. People that can teach aussie rules to a non-Aussie, then I'd also be confident that they are developing our young draftees competently.
I haven't made any assumptions or conclusions on Liam O'Connell. I was just asking questions.
I was pointing out that McRae was the guy who had the job in 2014 as the development coach at Collingwood.
I should have included the fact that it took 2-3 years to get Mason Cox to the stage where he was ready to play AFL. I'm hoping Liam makes it in half that time.
We have some of the most talented and dedicated Saints people like BJ, Dal and Lenny. Lenny has the official role as development coach and I think Liam is in good hands.
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
So what was the point of your initial post if you are answering your own questions?Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 11:09amKilla,Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:33am It's also about developing your talent.
We've got an Irishman on our list who was arguably the best young Gaelic footballer in his country. We know he's talented and competitive. We know he's an athlete.
What resources are we utilising to get this guy ready and to teach him AFL skills?
Do we have a 'Craig Mcrea' type to teach him the way Craig taught and helped to develop Mason Cox?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hel ... xlctr.html
AND...if we do employ people as competent as Craig Mcrae. People that can teach aussie rules to a non-Aussie, then I'd also be confident that they are developing our young draftees competently.
I haven't made any assumptions or conclusions on Liam O'Connell. I was just asking questions.
I was pointing out that McRae was the guy who had the job in 2014 as the development coach at Collingwood.
I should have included the fact that it took 2-3 years to get Mason Cox to the stage where he was ready to play AFL. I'm hoping Liam makes it in half that time.
We have some of the most talented and dedicated Saints people like BJ, Dal and Lenny. Lenny has the official role as development coach and I think Liam is in good hands.
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
I was elaborating in case my first post was overly pessimistic. It wasn't meant to be.takeaway wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 11:29amSo what was the point of your initial post if you are answering your own questions?Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 11:09amKilla,Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:33am It's also about developing your talent.
We've got an Irishman on our list who was arguably the best young Gaelic footballer in his country. We know he's talented and competitive. We know he's an athlete.
What resources are we utilising to get this guy ready and to teach him AFL skills?
Do we have a 'Craig Mcrea' type to teach him the way Craig taught and helped to develop Mason Cox?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hel ... xlctr.html
AND...if we do employ people as competent as Craig Mcrae. People that can teach aussie rules to a non-Aussie, then I'd also be confident that they are developing our young draftees competently.
I haven't made any assumptions or conclusions on Liam O'Connell. I was just asking questions.
I was pointing out that McRae was the guy who had the job in 2014 as the development coach at Collingwood.
I should have included the fact that it took 2-3 years to get Mason Cox to the stage where he was ready to play AFL. I'm hoping Liam makes it in half that time.
We have some of the most talented and dedicated Saints people like BJ, Dal and Lenny. Lenny has the official role as development coach and I think Liam is in good hands.
I was hoping someone with insider knowledge might be able to comment on the original questions
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So, you elaborated after Killa's post. Good to hear you are happy with player development under Lenny and the others.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:09pmI was elaborating in case my first post was overly pessimistic. It wasn't meant to be.takeaway wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 11:29amSo what was the point of your initial post if you are answering your own questions?Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 11:09amKilla,Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:33am It's also about developing your talent.
We've got an Irishman on our list who was arguably the best young Gaelic footballer in his country. We know he's talented and competitive. We know he's an athlete.
What resources are we utilising to get this guy ready and to teach him AFL skills?
Do we have a 'Craig Mcrea' type to teach him the way Craig taught and helped to develop Mason Cox?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hel ... xlctr.html
AND...if we do employ people as competent as Craig Mcrae. People that can teach aussie rules to a non-Aussie, then I'd also be confident that they are developing our young draftees competently.
I haven't made any assumptions or conclusions on Liam O'Connell. I was just asking questions.
I was pointing out that McRae was the guy who had the job in 2014 as the development coach at Collingwood.
I should have included the fact that it took 2-3 years to get Mason Cox to the stage where he was ready to play AFL. I'm hoping Liam makes it in half that time.
We have some of the most talented and dedicated Saints people like BJ, Dal and Lenny. Lenny has the official role as development coach and I think Liam is in good hands.
I was hoping someone with insider knowledge might be able to comment on the original questions
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
There is a very simple solution Killa, you could post less frequently
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
D.B.Cooper wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 1:46pmThere is a very simple solution Killa, you could post less frequently
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
I still say that IMHO it would be far better for both club and the Pou if he went home.
I would prefer him to go so we could snag one young talented mid.
We don't need Pou's 9 touches a game; we need a nice mid getting 20+
I would prefer him to go so we could snag one young talented mid.
We don't need Pou's 9 touches a game; we need a nice mid getting 20+
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Come in DB Cooper, Loris and Willard Saint because you are all exactly who I am referring to
And I back in the knowledge of the likes of Lyon, Enright, Harvey, Hayes and Goddard over the nonsense you all contribute here
They have all at the very least actually played the game at the level
The people I name are alongside the players on our List 24/7 AND they select the side we are putting on the park (acknowledging injuries and the impact on the side of those injuries)
And I back in the knowledge of the likes of Lyon, Enright, Harvey, Hayes and Goddard over the nonsense you all contribute here
They have all at the very least actually played the game at the level
The people I name are alongside the players on our List 24/7 AND they select the side we are putting on the park (acknowledging injuries and the impact on the side of those injuries)
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
Post reminds me of those that want to get rid of King but think we will get three first rounders for him!WellardSaint wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 6:43pm I still say that IMHO it would be far better for both club and the Pou if he went home.
I would prefer him to go so we could snag one young talented mid.
We don't need Pou's 9 touches a game; we need a nice mid getting 20+
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This is a Fan Forum.Killa wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 8:54pm Come in DB Cooper, Loris and Willard Saint because you are all exactly who I am referring to
And I back in the knowledge of the likes of Lyon, Enright, Harvey, Hayes and Goddard over the nonsense you all contribute here
They have all at the very least actually played the game at the level
The people I name are alongside the players on our List 24/7 AND they select the side we are putting on the park (acknowledging injuries and the impact on the side of those injuries)
We are here to discuss the club, its admin, coaches, players.
One rule is not to be abusive and personal.
Where was I being personal?
Can you show me.
Do you know what IMHO stands for?
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
If*whiskers3614 wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 9:07pmPost reminds me of those that want to get rid of King but think we will get three first rounders for him!WellardSaint wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 6:43pm I still say that IMHO it would be far better for both club and the Pou if he went home.
I would prefer him to go so we could snag one young talented mid.
We don't need Pou's 9 touches a game; we need a nice mid getting 20+
Disclaimer: posts are my views and shouldn't be taken as fact, even if I am in fact right.
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f*** and what if the next kid that we snag gets 8 possessions for the next year and a half and Pou goes to 20+. It will be a never ending roller coaster!WellardSaint wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 6:43pm I still say that IMHO it would be far better for both club and the Pou if he went home.
I would prefer him to go so we could snag one young talented mid.
We don't need Pou's 9 touches a game; we need a nice mid getting 20+
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Maybe check his stats on AFL app.magnifisaint wrote: ↑Fri 26 Apr 2024 1:34pmf*** and what if the next kid that we snag gets 8 possessions for the next year and a half and Pou goes to 20+. It will be a never ending roller coaster!WellardSaint wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 6:43pm I still say that IMHO it would be far better for both club and the Pou if he went home.
I would prefer him to go so we could snag one young talented mid.
We don't need Pou's 9 touches a game; we need a nice mid getting 20+
His numbers haven't changed at all from last year.
We'd expect with a decent pre-season under his belt, he'd improve.
No. No change.
At least one poster in here says Pou is sad, frustrated, downcast.
Is he feeling homesick. A 19 y.o. away from family and the girlfriend who was at his side at his draft interview.
A teenager can't do long-distance! It's not like an Army wife who can tolerate a 6 mth deployment of hubby.
If he wants out, let him.
Homesick, sad, he can't contribute.
Realistically, he'll get to 100 games with a poor average of 10 touches and zero breakout games.
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How do you know he wants out?WellardSaint wrote: ↑Fri 26 Apr 2024 1:59pmMaybe check his stats on AFL app.magnifisaint wrote: ↑Fri 26 Apr 2024 1:34pmf*** and what if the next kid that we snag gets 8 possessions for the next year and a half and Pou goes to 20+. It will be a never ending roller coaster!WellardSaint wrote: ↑Thu 25 Apr 2024 6:43pm I still say that IMHO it would be far better for both club and the Pou if he went home.
I would prefer him to go so we could snag one young talented mid.
We don't need Pou's 9 touches a game; we need a nice mid getting 20+
His numbers haven't changed at all from last year.
We'd expect with a decent pre-season under his belt, he'd improve.
No. No change.
At least one poster in here says Pou is sad, frustrated, downcast.
Is he feeling homesick. A 19 y.o. away from family and the girlfriend who was at his side at his draft interview.
A teenager can't do long-distance! It's not like an Army wife who can tolerate a 6 mth deployment of hubby.
If he wants out, let him.
Homesick, sad, he can't contribute.
Realistically, he'll get to 100 games with a poor average of 10 touches and zero breakout games.
Are you going on what some anonymous poster is writing?
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If we can get 2 first round picks from either of the SA teams for Pou then take them and run.
I’ve been a supporter of Pou until now, but I am struggling to see what exactly is his point of difference that is going to make him a superstar.
We can see it with Wilson (pace and endurance) , Garcia (speed and manic pressure) , Owens (strength and power). Hastie reads the play well, Ari has a weapon , and collard has some tricks.
I thought Pou was going to be strong overhead but that’s deserted him. He panic handballs whenever he gets the ball . No speed. Has definitely gone backward.
I’ve been a supporter of Pou until now, but I am struggling to see what exactly is his point of difference that is going to make him a superstar.
We can see it with Wilson (pace and endurance) , Garcia (speed and manic pressure) , Owens (strength and power). Hastie reads the play well, Ari has a weapon , and collard has some tricks.
I thought Pou was going to be strong overhead but that’s deserted him. He panic handballs whenever he gets the ball . No speed. Has definitely gone backward.
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I bet Bont is worried.
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When are we going to learn? It's not in Pou's interest or in our interest to play him week in week out.
It's not helping the team, but most importantly he's developing bad habits and losing confidence
There has to come a time that we wake up and stop making the same mistakes with talented youngsters...just because he's a high draft pick
Typical St Kilda. FFS. We did this all of last year with him. Please don't do it again
As soon as Wood, Clark, Henry and Dow are available, we need to give Pou a couple of games at Sandringham
We can't treat him like a senior player and expect him to perform at a high level each game. He will get better but we need to hold him back.
He's still a teenager so he needs his body and mind to be managed.
It's not helping the team, but most importantly he's developing bad habits and losing confidence
There has to come a time that we wake up and stop making the same mistakes with talented youngsters...just because he's a high draft pick
Typical St Kilda. FFS. We did this all of last year with him. Please don't do it again
As soon as Wood, Clark, Henry and Dow are available, we need to give Pou a couple of games at Sandringham
We can't treat him like a senior player and expect him to perform at a high level each game. He will get better but we need to hold him back.
He's still a teenager so he needs his body and mind to be managed.
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
Pou pick 10 in 2022 draft.
IMHO Wilson has gone way past Pou despite Wilson pick 18 in 2023 draft and a handful of games.
Garcia pick 50 in 2023 and a couple of games is as valuable as Pou and has overtaken Hastie pick 33 in 2023.
But Pou will should continue to get games until the teams injury list dwindles.
But what of Matt Allison pick 26 in 2020 and Max Heath pick 7 mid season rookie draft 2021.
When will they be ready to play.
Or are they already earmarked for delisting at seasons end.
IMHO Wilson has gone way past Pou despite Wilson pick 18 in 2023 draft and a handful of games.
Garcia pick 50 in 2023 and a couple of games is as valuable as Pou and has overtaken Hastie pick 33 in 2023.
But Pou will should continue to get games until the teams injury list dwindles.
But what of Matt Allison pick 26 in 2020 and Max Heath pick 7 mid season rookie draft 2021.
When will they be ready to play.
Or are they already earmarked for delisting at seasons end.
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
His marking is abysmal. The one where Rozee did his hammy, look at that contest.Zed wrote: ↑Sat 27 Apr 2024 12:54am If we can get 2 first round picks from either of the SA teams for Pou then take them and run.
I’ve been a supporter of Pou until now, but I am struggling to see what exactly is his point of difference that is going to make him a superstar.
We can see it with Wilson (pace and endurance) , Garcia (speed and manic pressure) , Owens (strength and power). Hastie reads the play well, Ari has a weapon , and collard has some tricks.
I thought Pou was going to be strong overhead but that’s deserted him. He panic handballs whenever he gets the ball . No speed. Has definitely gone backward.
My god, arms flapping about, didn’t get anytwhere near it!!! He’s either scared, or can’t see the ball. Impossible to miss it by that far. Not for the first time either…
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Hopefully years onwards show that5 Pou is not Poo. Who'd want to be a list manager.
Will we pick up a player in the SSP window
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Not seeing it with him.
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Re: Phillipou Close to Signing
It's not a fkn race
You're not rated according to your draft pick
They'll develop at a different pace and they're not all going to develop exactly the same way
We need to play the long game with our talent. Give them some exposure to seniors but let them play in the same team and learn about connection.
The best way for them to do that ( 8 or 10 youngsters in the same team) is with our VFL side
Unfortunately we haven't been able to do that with all our injuries