Charlie Gardiner

True Blue Sainter · Mon 05 Nov 2007 10:05pm

Judging by his performance in the "Off-Season Popularity Game" I just want to stick up for Charlie..

I think it's unfair to jump on a player's back before he's even donned the Saints guernsey. The least he deserves is to be given some time in 2008 before being judged or scruitinised by us. I actually think he could blossom into quite a handy player for us - maybe a 25-30 goal a season forward. In his couple of games in 2007, he averaged about 15 touches a game so he can find the footy as well. Also remember his best performance being in the Prelim final against Brisbane in 2005 - where he was pretty much at the heart of everything good for Geelong...

Not every player on our list can be a star - due to this thing called a salary cap. Charlie is a player capable of doing a job at AFL level, and as we didn't give up anything to get him, could be a VERY handy pick-up for no loss (economists refer to this concept as opportunity cost). Gardiner becomes an important piece in the cog with the retirements of Hamill and Voss, and the de-listing of Sweeney - who else can play the third tall forward role? Goddard and GIlbert at a pinch? M Gardiner if he's fit and resting from the ruck??

Ghost Like · Mon 05 Nov 2007 10:15pm

Well said True Blue Sainter. The game should probably go by another name other than 'popularity'. It's a little like playing Assassin on the dart board, last one standing wins.

Armoooo · Post: # 486974Post **Armoooo** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 10:20pm

I don't think that he should take it personally because I will be voting against him, Schneider, Dempster and King because as of yet they have done nothing for our club.
I would love it if he could come good and I will give him every chance to prove himself but would you rather he got voted out or Blake/Fiora/Birss etc.

Riewoldting · Mon 05 Nov 2007 10:25pm

Let's face it, it's a shitty game

Some of you blokes really need an off-season hobby

Armoooo · Post: # 486978Post **Armoooo** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 10:27pm

Riewoldting wrote:Let's face it, it's a shitty game

Some of you blokes really need an off-season hobby

Lol, I think somebody missed the point of the OP...

Bernard Shakey · Mon 05 Nov 2007 10:32pm

He can find the ball alright, but it's after that, that the problem arises, especially in front of goal.

I hope Charlie can find a niche for himself at Moorabbin and be part of a Saints premiership.

Good luck Charlie.

Spinner · Post: # 486984Post **Spinner** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 10:35pm

FWIW - I really dont think that would care, even if he knew about it.

Armoooo · Post: # 486986Post **Armoooo** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 10:39pm

Spinner wrote:FWIW - I really dont think that would care, even if he knew about it.

Exactly just from being an AFL listed played he is already ahead of almost every poster on this site...

sax · Post: # 486988Post **sax** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 10:43pm

Have any of you guys heard of CRICKET????

Armoooo · Post: # 486989Post **Armoooo** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 10:51pm

sax wrote:Have any of you guys heard of CRICKET????

Yes, have you heard of relevance?

saintsRrising · Mon 05 Nov 2007 11:00pm

sax wrote:Have any of you guys heard of CRICKET????

No...is he a full back or a fast mid???

sax · Post: # 486999Post **sax** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 11:04pm

Look guys, what I was trying to say is get off the guys case. I think he'll be great for the club. he knows how to find the footy & can finish in front of goal. (Something we've really lacked recently).
The cricket thing tho? I just think we should all get off our players back & get out to watch a summer sport!
Yeh, I love getting on this forum to see what everyone has to say, but why are we all so negative?
We think our players are untouchable, alot higher rated than everyone else, why do people have to bag a guy that hasn't even played for the club?
He's just been traded, he's got at least 1 year. Wait 'til that's over 'til you judge the guy!!!!

Spinner · Post: # 487007Post **Spinner** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 11:20pm

sax wrote:Look guys, what I was trying to say is get off the guys case. I think he'll be great for the club. he knows how to find the footy & can finish in front of goal. (Something we've really lacked recently).
The cricket thing tho? I just think we should all get off our players back & get out to watch a summer sport!
Yeh, I love getting on this forum to see what everyone has to say, but why are we all so negative?
We think our players are untouchable, alot higher rated than everyone else, why do people have to bag a guy that hasn't even played for the club?
He's just been traded, he's got at least 1 year. Wait 'til that's over 'til you judge the guy!!!!

Are you voting for him then?

sax · Post: # 487012Post **sax** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 11:25pm

I can't!!! I wont vote for, or against any of the new players!!!

Spinner · Post: # 487017Post **Spinner** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 11:32pm

sax wrote:I can't!!! I wont vote for, or against any of the new players!!!

So noble are you.....

Its a popularity game remember.....Not a performance contest....so im pretty sure u'll see an established player win.

sax · Post: # 487019Post **sax** » Mon 05 Nov 2007 11:35pm

That's what I'm saying!!!!
So, why the f**k are the new players included & Harvey's not???
Both ends of the scale I think, so WHO GIVES A F**K????

Armoooo · Post: # 487031Post **Armoooo** » Tue 06 Nov 2007 12:00am

sax wrote:That's what I'm saying!!!!
So, why the f**k are the new players included & Harvey's not???
Both ends of the scale I think, so WHO GIVES A F**K????

If Harvey was in he would win hands down, no one would come close and it is unfair to put him in. What player could beat him, and if anyone did beat him because people are looking at their value to the team from the last 2 years then it is an insult to the great man...

fonz_#15 · Post: # 487047Post **fonz_#15** » Tue 06 Nov 2007 1:30am

Riewoldting wrote:Let's face it, it's a shitty game

Some of you blokes really need an off-season hobby

look, you're right...especially when the same person votes the same every time

bigcarl · Post: # 487050Post **bigcarl** » Tue 06 Nov 2007 2:16am

Armoooo wrote:I don't think that he should take it personally because I will be voting against him, Schneider, Dempster and King because as of yet they have done nothing for our club. I would love it if he could come good and I will give him every chance to prove himself but would you rather he got voted out or Blake/Fiora/Birss etc.

hear hear. that's why i keep giving blake a vote. gardiner and the other newcomers will have to earn their stripes and i expect some of them will.

evertonfc · Post: # 487059Post **evertonfc** » Tue 06 Nov 2007 7:38am

We got him as a makeweight in the Steven King deal, as he was contracted at Geelong and they didn't want to pay out his salary.

We've picked up the final year of his contract, which is why the Cats let us take a cut-price on King.

I'm not expecting anything of him - he clearly has a little bit of talent, but it's hard to see him cracking our first 22. He does offer reasonable back-up, however, and he does offer an alternative third-tall option.

Extremely intelligent kid: got an incredibly high ENTER (in the top 0.5 percent). May not assist him in being able to kick a footy, however.

SaintBot · Post: # 487063Post **SaintBot** » Tue 06 Nov 2007 8:19am

fonz_#15 wrote:
Riewoldting wrote:Let's face it, it's a shitty game

Some of you blokes really need an off-season hobby
look, you're right...especially when the same person votes the same every time

sorry

Oh When the Saints · Tue 06 Nov 2007 11:01am

Over the last two seasons at AFL level, Gardiner averages 15 disposals, 6 marks, 2 tackles and nearly a goal per game.

Broodruff · Post: # 487143Post **Broodruff** » Tue 06 Nov 2007 2:13pm

I think the thing you need to keep in mind is that its a popularity contest.
He clearly isnt goign to be as popular as Banger, Roo and Gilbo!

Just because someone isnt the most popular kid in school, doesnt mean that everybody hates him and wants him gone.

I'm not gonna give popularity points to the kid, but I'm certainly not gonna take a shot at him.

Joffa Burns · Tue 06 Nov 2007 2:30pm

Just listen to R.Lyon speak and you nwill know why we drafted Charlie.
Ross loves speaking in plural...

The Clarkes, the Fishers, the Gardiners...

spiral2 · Post: # 487156Post **spiral2** » Tue 06 Nov 2007 2:39pm

Joffa Burns wrote:The Clarkes, the Fishers, the Gardiners...

summer ground maintenance is too much for just one Gardiner