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And why is his opinion gospel?saintsRrising wrote:RL was appalled at our conditioning processes when he took over.
Saints43 wrote:And why is his opinion gospel?saintsRrising wrote:RL was appalled at our conditioning processes when he took over.
You may not have noticed but the Saints soft tissue injury rate dropped from being one of the highest to being below the AFL average in the second half of the year.Saints43 wrote:
What's he ever done? He used to work with a bloke who won a premiership?
Apart from RL's view on it I have also spoken at length with an ex-Saints Club Doc who quite frankly was appalled at player conditioning under GT including on occassion medical advice not being followed.Saints43 wrote: You might want to wait until RL actually coaches a win (as opposed to Riewoldt/Gehrig dragging his sorry Sydney gameplan accross the line).
n1ck wrote:joffaboy wrote:cheers to the great man Firey....cheers mate....you know the caper...and cheers to that great player manager GT.....cheers mate hope the court case goes well....and cheers to the off season....heres cheers to that and its silly threads....and cheers to St.Kunny....ones to many and a hundereds not enough but cheers anyhow.....cheers.....cheers....cheers to you all....cheers.
Thomas has more intelligence in his little finger than the lot of you combined.
It is only the insecure and the weak minded who need to attempt to ridicule and belittle the truly great.
While you lot of nothings will ever amount to anything, Grant will be spoken of in revered tones by generations to come.
And if you think I am taking the piss. Dont.
Thomas is a towering intellectual that put every single one of you pissants in the shade.
No wonder you are all so afraid of him.
yeah walton is a class act...or he was until he started rooting the hired help......The Fireman wrote:Good point, actually that would be a good thread, "who would we have back and Why?"saintsRrising wrote:The Fireman wrote:To coach??? I certainly didn't say that.saintsRrising wrote:Fireman....if you want to bring back some coaches....what about Alves...what about Jeans?
If there is one ex-saint that would be productive back at the saints right now for me it would be Waldron.
Not knocking Archie,,,byt waldron as a CEO is class act....
I don't think we should ever close the doors on any ex contributors as most of them were there for the love of the club.
Look I agree that each coach has his successes...but my comments were made to debunk the myth that GT was EXCEPTIONAL or OUTSTANDING with managing players.........and the argument by some that he should be back at the club for this reason....skeptic wrote:
SRS - while i agree with you overall ur point RE Hall, Everite, Black, Fiora is silly... what about
Jones
Peckett
Powell
whose careers he ressurected and even Gehrig, Guerra, Black and Ackland who played their best seasons of football under GT... Gueera and Black most notably play WEAK football ATM
Each coach has plays that develop under them and others peak and decline in performance
Oh When the Saints wrote:What capacity would he be of use at down at the club?
Matthew Drain is a better football manager.
Ross Lyon is a better senior coach (alright, subjective I know)
Tony Elshaug is a better player development manager.
David Misson is a better head of fitness and conditioning.
We've got some of the best people in the AFL down at St Kilda at the moment, people who have had experience across a wide range of clubs, sports and learning institutions.
We've never had a group of professional, talented people at St Kilda like we do now. Never before in our history.
Thomas created the situation where we have all these great people, and I will be forever grateful for that.
But he is not a professional talented person in the same manner as the others.
Great organisations do not become successful by moving backwards and turning to past failures. They move forwards and look to future success.
OK well a few things....new coaches come in and they are all impressed with the professionalism and the drive of the playing group....aplaying group brought together and previously coached by GT.saintsRrising wrote:Saints43 wrote:And why is his opinion gospel?saintsRrising wrote:RL was appalled at our conditioning processes when he took over.
It is not just RL's opinion that I am basing my opinion on.
In addition acting on RL's demands that the problem be addresses Dr Ross Smith and AIS Sport Scientists were called in.
You may not have noticed but the Saints soft tissue injury rate dropped from being one of the highest to being below the AFL average in the second half of the year.Saints43 wrote:
What's he ever done? He used to work with a bloke who won a premiership?
Apart from RL's view on it I have also spoken at length with an ex-Saints Club Doc who quite frankly was appalled at player conditioning under GT including on occassion medical advice not being followed.Saints43 wrote: You might want to wait until RL actually coaches a win (as opposed to Riewoldt/Gehrig dragging his sorry Sydney gameplan accross the line).
He told me well before Misson was engaged that one of our problems was lack of sufficient individual training and conditioning for players....
So it was no surprise for me to read this week in the HS from Misson who many believe is Auastralia's brightest and best in terms of player conditioning....:
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html
While the Swans' injury prevention techniques have reached mythical proportions, they are based on fitness staff providing individual programs for players designed by intensive feedback and "wellness" ratings.
No two players will have the same pre-season and, during the season, training regimens will be tailored to fit a player's age, resilience, injury history and fitness level.
Former Carlton fitness coach Peter Mulkearns remains Misson's off-sider, and will be joined by Australian track and field doctor Tim Barbour, former Melbourne Victory head physiotherapist Andrew Wallis, and several rehab and physio experts.
Misson said he had been shocked from afar by St Kilda's extensive injury problems, with Aaron Hamill, Matt Maguire, Justin Koschitzke, Luke Ball, Xavier Clarke and brother Raphael and many others continually struggling with lingering concerns.
"It was amazing, really. We couldn't believe it at the Swans," Misson said. "Players were going down left, right and centre.
"They had a reasonably bad run for a few years and it puts you behind the eight-ball.
"It's taken us a while to get on top of the history of each player and what each player can cope with.
"The thing we are trying to do is put some systems and structures in place so that it's not guesswork."
"Before Christmas we are not in a hurry. We want to get guys fit but we are not in a hurry to get them all back into full training straight away.
"Each individual is following his own program."
Then again GT did bring that Guru Guy to the Saints who had him drinking potions.....
So lets see....which do I prefer.....???? Which do you prefer???
Guru Guy vs Misson, Dr Ross Smitth & 3 AIS Sports Scientists
Tough call??? I think not....
Our injury rate was the worst in the AFL due to mismanagement and GT following ill-informed advice poorly selected by himself.
But as you say RL has to prove himself....so lets just see whether the changes demanded by him which had great effect in the second half of 2007 continue on or not...
By the way I have indicated my reasons why I though GT did a lousy job at overseeing our player conditioning....how about you outline your reasons why GT did ok?
Fair enough. He does cop far too much here for what he contributed to the club.stinger wrote:
have to agree with you...doesn't mean that we have to piss on grant though.......
Fully agree.....Oh When the Saints wrote:What capacity would he be of use at down at the club?
Matthew Drain is a better football manager.
Ross Lyon is a better senior coach (alright, subjective I know)
Tony Elshaug is a better player development manager.
David Misson is a better head of fitness and conditioning.
We've got some of the best people in the AFL down at St Kilda at the moment, people who have had experience across a wide range of clubs, sports and learning institutions.
We've never had a group of professional, talented people at St Kilda like we do now. Never before in our history.
Thomas created the situation where we have all these great people, and I will be forever grateful for that.
But he is not a professional talented person in the same manner as the others.
Great organisations do not become successful by moving backwards and turning to past failures. They move forwards and look to future success.
I will wait to see some results. Everybody talks a good game in the Herald Sun.saintsRrising wrote:Saints43 wrote:
So lets see....which do I prefer.....???? Which do you prefer???
Guru Guy vs Misson, Dr Ross Smitth & 3 AIS Sports Scientists
Tough call??? I think not....
Our injury rate was the worst in the AFL due to mismanagement and GT following ill-informed advice poorly selected by himself.
But as you say RL has to prove himself....so lets just see whether the changes demanded by him which had great effect in the second half of 2007 continue on or not...
By the way I have indicated my reasons why I though GT did a lousy job at overseeing our player conditioning....how about you outline your reasons why GT did ok?
Shockingly, I agree.saintsRrising wrote: Look I agree that each coach has his successes...but my comments were made to debunk the myth that GT was EXCEPTIONAL or OUTSTANDING with managing players.........and the argument by some that he should be back at the club for this reason....
Round 1 against Melbourne? Bwahahahahahahaha. What a benchmark.Oh When the Saints wrote:To say that Ross Lyon has not coached a win is a poor comment IMO.
David Parkin said after Round 1 this year that he had never seen a St Kilda team work so hard defensively.
Grant Thomas himself wrote an article after we beat Adelaide which was praising the way in which Ross Lyon out-coached Neil Craig, and in a game with such a narrow margin, the coaching was a decisive factor.
Ray, perleeeeeeezeThe Fireman wrote: I like to look at the positives that GT brought to the club, which I have outlined and hopefully will see him back with us.
bigcarl wrote:
he was getting us results. the players believed in him. many supporters believed in him. i believed in him.
unfortunately it's way too late to turn back the clock but i know one thing for sure ... if we are to lift the premiership cup this year GT is due no small part of the credit.
go saints
n1ck wrote:
Thomas is a towering intellectual that put every single one of you pissants in the shade.
bob__71 wrote:I dont think the stat dec said he had already been paid the money barks....u are getting sloppy editing your cut and pastes...you are now adding extra lies.....if he had been paid the money, no one would have been sued
saintsRrising wrote:Well second request actually as your first post was just basically an expletive and was ignored as there was nothing really to comment on.St Fidelius wrote:saintsRrising wrote: PS...you might not have noticed but Fiora improved markedly once he had a coach that put faith in him.
Written and Authorised by sRr
CARE TO COMMENT ON THIS MR sRr????
3RD REQUEST..........
SO, in your "opinion"
Fair Dinkum you do waffle on a bit but this one takes the cake????
so you are saying that....
RL in his first year as senior coach is the only coach to have faith in Fiora who started his career in 2000...
Yeah righto waffle on some more
I said "you might not have noticed but Fiora improved markedly once he had a coach that put faith in him."
This is referring to the transition of Fiora from GT to RL.
Which means that IMO that Fiora suffers from a lack of self-belief in his talent and that RL showed more faith in Fiora's abilities that GT did which was witnessed by where RL played him and the various roles he gave him. By seasons end he was earning some quality inside ball with slick disposal.
As to Frawley I cannot really comment as I am not an avid watcher of Tigers matches....and my comment was not referring to him.
means jack…..you might not have noticed but Fiora improved markedly once he had a coach that put faith in him
Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear, run down there and light the bloody thing yourself!
Well Jeffrey when the contract was signed, St.Kilda were thought of as a premiership favouriteJeffDunne wrote:Let me get this straight . . . winning not ONE . . . but TWO premierships was the EASY WAY to pay him back?barks4eva wrote:( IMHO Thomas was looking for an easy way to pay back the 1,000,000 loan to Butterss, using football club money)
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