fraser

[terry smith rules]

have always loved the g train

but I think he just kicked a goal with his last kick in footy

wiould be stunned if he did not announce his immediate retirement

the game has passed him on and the saints need to work a new structure

fqf

[Wollongong_saint]

Would be a little ridiculous to do that after the rollercoaster preseason he had.
Don't use Fraser as a scapegoat. He played an important part early, even if he eventually got benched. I just wish Lyon would let him play as a leading forward like we know he can. The game hasn't passed him - Ross Lyon's game has. And that is what is frustrating all of us.

[my les foote]

It doesn't help when your opponent plays under a different set of rules to every other full back in the competition.

[Wollongong_saint]

I hate being spiteful and pathetic but at times it felt like their whole team was playing with a different set of rules.

Especially early. 50/50 balls should be left as that but the umps kept pulling Geelong frees from nowhere.

[LENNY LEADS THE WAY]

I hate being spiteful and pathetic but at times it felt like their whole team was playing with a different set of rules.

Especially early. 50/50 balls should be left as that but the umps kept pulling Geelong frees from nowhere.

AGREE the umpires where BLOODY DISGRACEFUL

[Wollongong_saint]

Geelong are awesome. We all know that. They are the last team that needs help from the umpires!!!

[StSteven]

As I said before. Scarlet always beats Fraser, always....so blaming umpires is not facing reality.

We will get nowhere until we base our gameplan on reality. Fraser should not have been taken back.

[Wollongong_saint]

As I said before. Scarlet always beats Fraser, always....so blaming umpires is not facing reality.

We will get nowhere until we base our gameplan on reality. Fraser should not have been taken back.

I wouldn't write him off......there may be some red faces around the place if too many people write him off......remember he is still our only reliable kick at goal.....that is pretty important.

[Hawkesbury Saint]

I wouldn't write him off......there may be some red faces around the place if too many people write him off......remember he is still our only reliable kick at goal.....that is pretty important.[/quote]

With ya there mate. Frase needs to be freed up to be more attacking and damaging. We only look dangerous when the ball is in his hands. The rest of the time I am cringing and squirming waiting for forwards to kick. I know he is happy to play second fiddle but we need more onfield mentoring and power play from Frase.

If he hasn't got it in him then I think Frase will realise that he really shouldn't be out there. But for goodness sake Ross give him a role that lets him have a crack at 60+ this year. That's what he is there for!

[stinger]

It doesn't help when your opponent plays under a different set of rules to every other full back in the competition.

yep...he was allowed to grab, push and scrag fraser with impunity......

[stinger]

I hate being spiteful and pathetic but at times it felt like their whole team was playing with a different set of rules.

Especially early. 50/50 balls should be left as that but the umps kept pulling Geelong frees from nowhere.

AGREE the umpires where BLOODY DISGRACEFUL

i took one of my less knowledgeable(footywise) daughters to the game.......she reckoned that ray and his mates should be charged with cheating.......

[quidnunc]

Well - I finally have to say what I think - even though it sounds like I might be badgering one of our own.

Scarlett has given Gehrig an absolute bath since I care not to remember.

Those on this forum who say they may as well have given G-Train a rest against the Cats (an for me - here on after) are, I think, correct.

I also think that we tried to follow the Leigh Matthew's game plan when Thomas coached and we are now trying to follow the Paul Roos model when Lyon is coaching.

For me, I say, bugger it!

Set the game plan ourselves - do what we can do best with what we have available - do not try to imitate what has been successful - be gutsy and think how can our playera, with their talent and ability, and collectively on the ground - exploit and beat our opponents.

Anyhow - I have now vent my spleen.

Oooorooo!

[saintsrus]

I also have Fraser as one of my favs but have to agree, maybe Kosi proved today to be his immediate replacement.

[clarky449]

Do you guys know anything, Fraser Gehrig did he job well today he kept mathew scarlett away from goal which was hes job. Listen dont use him as an escape goat Wollongong_saint im with you.

[terry smith rules]

Do you guys know anything, Fraser Gehrig did he job well today he kept mathew scarlett away from goal which was hes job. Listen dont use him as an escape goat Wollongong_saint im with you.

did you watch the game scarlett was almost bog

[saintspremiers]

I hate being spiteful and pathetic but at times it felt like their whole team was playing with a different set of rules.

Especially early. 50/50 balls should be left as that but the umps kept pulling Geelong frees from nowhere.

AGREE the umpires where BLOODY DISGRACEFUL

i took one of my less knowledgeable(footywise) daughters to the game.......she reckoned that ray and his mates should be charged with cheating.......

the umps should be shot.....much cheaper to buy 3 bullets than worry about trials/inquiries etc

[Ghost Like]

I hate being spiteful and pathetic but at times it felt like their whole team was playing with a different set of rules.

Especially early. 50/50 balls should be left as that but the umps kept pulling Geelong frees from nowhere.

Number 21 didn't...he just refused to make a decision. That was worse than making wrong ones, just ask X (if he remembers).

[The_Dud]

G could have kicked 4 or 5 today if the umps were doing their job properly/fairly

[Ghost Like]

Do you guys know anything, Fraser Gehrig did he job well today he kept mathew scarlett away from goal which was hes job. Listen dont use him as an escape goat Wollongong_saint im with you.

did you watch the game scarlett was almost bog

Poor Frase, towelled up yet again by another nemesis, I now know why he retired, does not appear to have any fire in the belly...should have gone ballistic today, after the X incident, instead served up some nice cold Gehrig mediocrity.

Unfortunately all the good backmen will be playing in the finals, Fraser needs to show us he can kick goals against the good defences. Would have even given RL kudos if he played him on Baby Huey Hawkins after half time and let Goose hit up on the lead and chase and tackle and pressure in our forward line.

[Enrico_Misso]

What about the mark G took in the 3rd quarter that wasn't paid


And don't forget if Gehrig wasn't out there than Scarlett would have played on Kosi or Roo.

[SaintDippa]

Unfortunately the time for G has come.

The future for the Saints is Roo out of the square with an empty Forward 50. No value to the team with him taking marks across the wings.

[The_Dud]

No value to the team with him taking marks across the wings.

ah, yes there is.....

[terry smith rules]

What about the mark G took in the 3rd quarter that wasn't paid


And don't forget if Gehrig wasn't out there than Scarlett would have played on Kosi or Roo.

replayed that on iq.. sorry no mark

the whole point is that yes fraser takes a good defender but he got absolutely smashed by scarlett, there is no point I repeat no point in taking the best defende unless you can have an impact on that player

unfortunately fraser had no impact on scarlett or the game

[Ghost Like]

What about the mark G took in the 3rd quarter that wasn't paid


And don't forget if Gehrig wasn't out there than Scarlett would have played on Kosi or Roo.

It's sad though Enrico is that the upside or positive from G's performances is that he takes a good defender effectively reverting to him being a dummy forward...that is way too sad for a duel Coleman medallist who gave us so much.

My worry is that some of the reasons that caused him to doubt or talk himelf into retirement are still there which in mind makes me think he's not playing 100% with his heart and mind, I'm yet to see the spark, the passion from him.

[iwantmeseats]

i HAVE TO agree, its time to go Fraser.If you dont give a s*** and apply zero pressure on the rebound, its bye bye for you! Thankd for coming.