Gerard Healy thinks we have the best defender in the comp

Beej · Post: # 723173Post **Beej** » Mon 13 Apr 2009 11:45pm

Sam Fisher.

I'd agree with him.

You cannot fault his game - reads the play, uses it well, great overhead, never beaten.

PJ · Post: # 723180Post PJ » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:01am

He's absolutely right

savatage · Post: # 723186Post **savatage** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:15am

I think Sam Gilbert's been even better than Sam Fish this year personally.

cowboy18 · Post: # 723188Post **cowboy18** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:16am

I thought this would be another Zac Dawson thread.

Winmarvellous · Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:23am

I almost agree, but Gerard Healy still rates the Dockers. Coming from anyone elese, I'd love it. I think he's a poison chalice.

goodie · Post: # 723192Post **goodie** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:29am

I thought he looked a little flat round 1. Bit flat and a step slower than last year, admittedly I haven't seen him live since.

Besides, I'm waiting until we play a decent midfield and attack

Richter · Post: # 723204Post **Richter** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:49am

Our defence is quite simply amazing. The fewest points against in the AFL by a whopping 8 points per game. And we still have.....

- Hudghton
- Maguire
- Dempster
- Raph Clarke

All these players have been rated as starters within the last year. And there we were worrying about what would happen when Max retires!

Munga · Post: # 723206Post **Munga** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:51am

Should've been All Australian the last three years. The selectors are a little slow on the uptake.

Iceman234 · Post: # 723207Post **Iceman234** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:52am

Munga wrote:Should've been All Australian the last three years. The selectors are a little slow on the uptake.

And Mike On The Couch.

I thought he skirted the issue as well as he possibly could...

Beej · Post: # 723208Post **Beej** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:52am

Maybe "on current form" was not what was said, it was more who is the best defender "right now".

Sam's obviously had a better three weeks of football.

But in the grand scheme of things, he's right up there with the Matthew Scarlett's of this world.

Darren Glass and Ben Rutten are more your stay-at-home, traditional full-backs, Chips isn't in that mould.

Best defenders in the AFL who are in the same mould as Sam Fisher would be:

Craig Bolton
Jarrad Waite
Brian Lake
Matthew Scarlett
Nathan Bock

Would you have any of those over Fisher right now?

Not me.

evertonfc · Post: # 723209Post **evertonfc** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:53am

If he had a left foot, he'd be up there. It's my only criticism because sometimes it causes him to a fraction less effective under pressure.

Still, minor complaint. He's learned to live with it and has adapted his game exceptionally well.

Iceman234 · Post: # 723213Post **Iceman234** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:55am

evertonfc wrote:If he had a left foot, he'd be up there. It's my only criticism because sometimes it causes him to a fraction less effective under pressure.

Still, minor complaint. He's learned to live with it and has adapted his game exceptionally well.

And a wonderful ambassador obviously to others dealing with similar disabilites...

HarveysDeciple · Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:56am

evertonfc wrote:If he had a left foot, he'd be up there. It's my only criticism because sometimes it causes him to a fraction less effective under pressure.

Still, minor complaint. He's learned to live with it and has adapted his game exceptionally well.

and gilbo doesn't have a right, wish they could have their synchronisation just right and we'd be fine

evertonfc · Post: # 723215Post **evertonfc** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 12:57am

HarveysDeciple wrote:
evertonfc wrote:If he had a left foot, he'd be up there. It's my only criticism because sometimes it causes him to a fraction less effective under pressure.

Still, minor complaint. He's learned to live with it and has adapted his game exceptionally well.
and gilbo doesn't have a right, wish they could have their synchronisation just right and we'd be fine

Ain't that the truth!

They seem to be managing alright however...

Beej · Post: # 723220Post **Beej** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 1:03am

None of those I mentioned above have a great left foot.

Having a strong opposite foot is extremely rare.

Saints Premiers 2008 · Tue 14 Apr 2009 1:06am

OLB wrote:Maybe "on current form" was not what was said, it was more who is the best defender "right now".

Sam's obviously had a better three weeks of football.

But in the grand scheme of things, he's right up there with the Matthew Scarlett's of this world.

Darren Glass and Ben Rutten are more your stay-at-home, traditional full-backs, Chips isn't in that mould.

Best defenders in the AFL who are in the same mould as Sam Fisher would be:

Craig Bolton
Jarrad Waite
Brian Lake
Matthew Scarlett
Nathan Bock

Would you have any of those over Fisher right now?

Not me.

i would have scarlett, bock maybe bolton

Beej · Post: # 723225Post **Beej** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 1:09am

Bock's missus wrote:Sam Fisher for me

Cairnsman · Post: # 723272Post **Cairnsman** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 7:45am

OLB wrote:Maybe "on current form" was not what was said, it was more who is the best defender "right now".

Sam's obviously had a better three weeks of football.

But in the grand scheme of things, he's right up there with the Matthew Scarlett's of this world.

Darren Glass and Ben Rutten are more your stay-at-home, traditional full-backs, Chips isn't in that mould.

Best defenders in the AFL who are in the same mould as Sam Fisher would be:

Craig Bolton
Jarrad Waite
Brian Lake
Matthew Scarlett
Nathan Bock

Would you have any of those over Fisher right now?

Not me.

Geez Luke Hodge would have to be there as well. Not only are they in the same mould they play a similar style/role in a similar game plan. The question is who ripped who off. All this talk that we are trying to copy the Hawks rolling zone defence is bullshyte. They copied us. They just got a premiership before us and so the perception is they invented it.

maverick · Post: # 723286Post **maverick** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 8:51am

Saints Premiers 2008 wrote:
OLB wrote:Maybe "on current form" was not what was said, it was more who is the best defender "right now".

Sam's obviously had a better three weeks of football.

But in the grand scheme of things, he's right up there with the Matthew Scarlett's of this world.

Darren Glass and Ben Rutten are more your stay-at-home, traditional full-backs, Chips isn't in that mould.

Best defenders in the AFL who are in the same mould as Sam Fisher would be:

Craig Bolton
Jarrad Waite
Brian Lake
Matthew Scarlett
Nathan Bock

Would you have any of those over Fisher right now?

Not me.
i would have scarlett, bock maybe bolton

Scarlett is a key back, the best, as is Bolton, not quite the same.
Fisher > Bock, and both > slightly than Lake and then Waite

Beej · Post: # 723342Post **Beej** » Tue 14 Apr 2009 11:21am

maverick wrote:
Saints Premiers 2008 wrote:
OLB wrote:Maybe "on current form" was not what was said, it was more who is the best defender "right now".

Sam's obviously had a better three weeks of football.

But in the grand scheme of things, he's right up there with the Matthew Scarlett's of this world.

Darren Glass and Ben Rutten are more your stay-at-home, traditional full-backs, Chips isn't in that mould.

Best defenders in the AFL who are in the same mould as Sam Fisher would be:

Craig Bolton
Jarrad Waite
Brian Lake
Matthew Scarlett
Nathan Bock

Would you have any of those over Fisher right now?

Not me.
i would have scarlett, bock maybe bolton
Scarlett is a key back, the best, as is Bolton, not quite the same.
Fisher > Bock, and both > slightly than Lake and then Waite

They're all key-backs and they all have the ability to play on the same type of opponents.

Harley when fit usually gets the job on the number one big forward. Geelong like to free up Scarlett as much as they can the same way we like to give Fisher space as they are almost wasted when stuck with a man.

None of them are in the Rutten-Glass mould of defender which is why I grouped them all together. You could probably add Daniel Pratt and Grant Birchall to the list too but they're not on that level yet IMO although Birchall will be there eventually.

Hodge is a natural midfielder IMO which is why I didn't include him. He plays the play-maker role out of defence for the Hawks brilliantly though, no doubt. However, he doesn't generally play on the same types of forwards as those I mentioned.

If I were to group Hodge, I'd group him with Gilbee, Goddard, Peter Burgoyne, Mackie, Drummond... the true quarterback type. Hodge is just a hell of a lot tougher than any of them.

mightysainters · Tue 14 Apr 2009 11:32am

I love Fisher but he hasn't been that great this year... he's been good but definately not the best defender he didn't look right at times last week but still played a good game.... Gilbert probably has been the better...

Beej · Post: # 729473Post **Beej** » Fri 24 Apr 2009 11:51pm

BUMP

Superstar.

perfectionist · Sat 25 Apr 2009 12:09am

Zac didn't make too many boo boos! (Neither did the rest rest to tell the truth). Zac is a 250 game champ in the making! How about that for a big statement? Whoever picked him is a genius!

stinger · Post: # 729499Post **stinger** » Sat 25 Apr 2009 12:12am

Iceman234 wrote:
Munga wrote:Should've been All Australian the last three years. The selectors are a little slow on the uptake.
And Mike On The Couch.

I thought he skirted the issue as well as he possibly could...

that prick hasn't picked us to win all year.....sux sh!t noddy.....

Solar · Post: # 729534Post **Solar** » Sat 25 Apr 2009 12:43am

is he getting better?

reads the ball so so so well

is one reason we can have no name backs like zac and blake play KP