Father son rule

Solar · Post: # 872163Post **Solar** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 7:30pm

Ok this is so stupid and goes from reading about drafting and the cats but

If there was a saints player who along with their partner could not conceive and decided to adopt, would that son be available under the father and son rule? (say they had played 100 games).

kosifantutti23 · Wed 13 Jan 2010 7:32pm

Nick Natanui is too old to adopt.

bigred · Post: # 872172Post **bigred** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 7:40pm

Yes they would be.

saintnick12 · Wed 13 Jan 2010 7:50pm

bigred wrote:Yes they would be.

I agree. Having some personal experience in the area of adoption, once you adopt you become the parent and the child gets a new birth certificate with the adoptive parents name on it. All parental and legal rights are exactly the same once the adoption is finalized. So on that basis, the answer would be yes. However, I don't know of anyone that this applies to that effects the Saints

bigred · Post: # 872180Post **bigred** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 7:56pm

exactly.

Armoooo · Post: # 872181Post **Armoooo** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 7:56pm

Didn't the Clarke brothers adopt a young bloke from their home town who was said to be quite a talent?

Mr Magic · Post: # 872200Post **Mr Magic** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 8:52pm

FOr the sake of debate only
If this is correct, then what is to stop any Saints player
(use Cowboy Neale for an example)
adopting a 17 year old kid who is a fabulous footballer
(say Scully for example)
and the Saints claiming that kid under the Father/son rule?

If it's correct I'm staggered that nobody has apparently tried it already?

Eastern · Post: # 872203Post **Eastern** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 8:57pm

Mr Magic wrote:FOr the sake of debate only
If this is correct, then what is to stop any Saints player
(use Cowboy Neale for an example)
adopting a 17 year old kid who is a fabulous footballer
(say Scully for example)
and the Saints claiming that kid under the Father/son rule?

If it's correct I'm staggered that nobody has apparently tried it already?

I'd suggest that the AFL rules are rubbery enough to prevent this. On second thoughts, it might just be that Carlton & Collingwood haven't thought of it ......................................YET !!

Maxstar22 · Post: # 872208Post **Maxstar22** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 9:06pm

So for debates sake then...would it be only "biological" children??

Or what if you were a footballer and gave up your child for adpotion to another footballer....who would get the father son rule??

Saintersss · Post: # 872222Post **Saintersss** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 9:33pm

Mr Magic wrote:FOr the sake of debate only
If this is correct, then what is to stop any Saints player
(use Cowboy Neale for an example)
adopting a 17 year old kid who is a fabulous footballer
(say Scully for example)
and the Saints claiming that kid under the Father/son rule?

If it's correct I'm staggered that nobody has apparently tried it already?

I wonder how that kids father would feel...

Con Gorozidis · Wed 13 Jan 2010 10:21pm

post of the year so far. got me thinking about all sorts of bizarre scenarios..

but u would think a child adopted as a baby (or under 5 or so) would certainly be eligible.

17 might be stretching it a bit (as funny as it would be )- also doubt the authorities would register it.. carlton would have to pay off the parents and the government authorities to get that one up!

what about love children from the saints disco in the 80's? no. dont go there...

Mr Magic · Post: # 872240Post **Mr Magic** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 10:25pm

Con Gorozidis wrote:post of the year so far. got me thinking about all sorts of bizarre scenarios..

but u would think a child adopted as a baby (or under 5 or so) would certainly be eligible.

17 might be stretching it a bit (as funny as it would be )- also doubt the authorities would register it.. carlton would have to pay off the parents and the government authorities to get that one up!

what about love children from the saints disco in the 80's? no. dont go there...

You might be closer to the mark than you think.
There was a rumour going around the traps earlier this season about the 'true father' of one of the potential draftees.

But to get back to the debate questions.

What happens if the parents divorce (or the Father dies) when the lad is 15, the mother remarries a Saint who's played 100+ games. He then decides to adopt the lad at age 16. Is he eligible to go Father/Son?

Maxstar22 · Post: # 872244Post **Maxstar22** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 10:31pm

Perhaps they could bring in a rule where the "intentions" of the adoption are considered?? For example, if the AFL knew they were only adopting the kid to get him drafted, then that wouldn't be allowed. But if the kid was adopted because the father had died or given up the parental rights, that would be allowed??

You know have me wondering how many love children there are out there....could we have had a team of blonde beauties taking spekkies??

Dr Spaceman · Wed 13 Jan 2010 10:47pm

And then there's the issue of sperm donors! Oh what a can of worms, or tadpoles, we've opened here

Mr Magic · Post: # 872254Post **Mr Magic** » Wed 13 Jan 2010 10:51pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:And then there's the issue of sperm donors! Oh what a can of worms, or tadpoles, we've opened here

I wonder if that's covered by the rules?

I can see the case where the child is born via IVF through a sperm donation and it turns out the kid grows up to be a prospective champion.

Can you imagine if a player from 1 club was the donor and a player from another Club was the husband of the mother?

Far-fetched but an interesting scenario nonetheless.

Con Gorozidis · Wed 13 Jan 2010 10:59pm

this is genuinely funny!

I Love Peter Kiel · Wed 13 Jan 2010 11:27pm

Solar, that is a brilliant thought-provoking post!

There are probably teams of lawyers working on this as we speak!

However in racehorse parlance, having a gifted sire (or dam) does not guarantee a champion.
Apparently the bloke who bred Phar Lap spent the rest of his life trying to breed another one. Yes I know Phar Lap was a gelding...so he couldn't sire anything. I mean, to breed another one from the same stock.

I don't really know the answer to the questions you pose. I have known a bloke who was fathered by champion footballer of the old VFL. He ended up playing a couple of games...for his father's original club, interestingly enough.

I Love Peter Kiel · Wed 13 Jan 2010 11:34pm

Just saw the stuff about sperm donation...that really does open a can of worms!

Perhaps this will be the way of the future...systematic breeding programs to create future champions?

bigred · Post: # 872286Post **bigred** » Thu 14 Jan 2010 12:32am

I Love Peter Kiel wrote:Solar, that is a brilliant thought-provoking post!

There are probably teams of lawyers working on this as we speak!

However in racehorse parlance, having a gifted sire (or dam) does not guarantee a champion.
Apparently the bloke who bred Phar Lap spent the rest of his life trying to breed another one. Yes I know Phar Lap was a gelding...so he couldn't sire anything. I mean, to breed another one from the same stock.

I don't really know the answer to the questions you pose. I have known a bloke who was fathered by champion footballer of the old VFL. He ended up playing a couple of games...for his father's original club, interestingly enough.

I know the son of a former VFL brownlow medallist and dual premiership coach.

Biggest muppet you would ever see on a football field.

However he did make up for it when it came to the ladies.

I think the weight of expectation was just a massive burden on him whenever he tried to play. Just did not have it.

His sister was a gun netballer though. GUN.

Spinner · Post: # 872294Post **Spinner** » Thu 14 Jan 2010 1:36am

Wow never thought about this.....Interesting topic.

desertsaint · Thu 14 Jan 2010 2:50am

Clone Robert Harvey ...
Or get him to donate sperm to all single women in Australia.

meher baba · Post: # 872303Post **meher baba** » Thu 14 Jan 2010 7:40am

In Ancient Rome, only members of the Patrician class of families could become senators. So, aspiring politicians of the other class (the Plebians) sometimes got themselves adopted by Patricians. The age of those involved didn't matter, sothere were cases of 60 year old "sons" being adopted by 20 year old "fathers" and the like.

Let's bring it on in AFL. I would have loved, for example, to have seen Robert Murphy adopt Barry Hall. And Stephen Milne could be an excellent father for Lance Franklin.