Luke VanRheenan - stay or go

skeptic · Post: # 610763Post **skeptic** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 7:58pm

Well it's his second year on the rookie list which means he has to be either promoted or demoted at the end of the season.

His seasons over so i guess this one has already been put to bed

what do you think, stay or go?

suffice to say that he hasn't impressed much but (so the tale goes) has a lot of potential. Plays the position that we need up and comers in.

marksnsparks · Sun 27 Jul 2008 8:02pm

Pardon my newness to the game, but don't ruckmen take a while to mature?

And if they do they are worth their weight in gold?

bobmurray · Post: # 610767Post **bobmurray** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 8:03pm

He's had a season long injury so there is no way of knowing how he would have progressed.He needed to improve to earn another chance so to keep him now is a gamble.I'm not sure if he can get another rookie year as this was his 2nd year,if he cant then the Saints have to draft him and that is
where the gamble lies....

I think they will promote Miles from the Rookie list.....

esaint66 · Post: # 610775Post **esaint66** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 8:18pm

I only saw him once in the Intra club game where he kicked that miracle goal and showed a bit of form ... so on what i have seen i say keep him, but my knowledge of him is minimal.

Otiman · Post: # 610778Post **Otiman** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 8:21pm

Gone. So are Attard and Chivers for that matter.

hotdish · Post: # 610821Post **hotdish** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 9:16pm

Otiman wrote:Gone. So are Attard and Chivers for that matter.

Don't make me laugh. Chivers and Attard will be playing for St Kilda next year guarenteed...

plugger66 · Post: # 610823Post **plugger66** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 9:21pm

hotdish wrote:
Otiman wrote:Gone. So are Attard and Chivers for that matter.
Don't make me laugh. Chivers and Attard will be playing for St Kilda next year guarenteed...

Chivers is no hope of playing next year. I dont even think he is training with the Saints now. He is at Scorps training.

Brooksy_Babe_24 · Sun 27 Jul 2008 9:28pm

I would say all 3 of the mentioned players would be staying but especially Luke V R

fonz_#15 · Post: # 610859Post **fonz_#15** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 10:15pm

plugger66 wrote:
hotdish wrote:
Otiman wrote:Gone. So are Attard and Chivers for that matter.
Don't make me laugh. Chivers and Attard will be playing for St Kilda next year guarenteed...
Chivers is no hope of playing next year. I dont even think he is training with the Saints now. He is at Scorps training.

i have heard he is being punished for a crap attitude

nicko016 · Post: # 610873Post **nicko016** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 10:36pm

As LVR is in his second year we can't retain him on the rookie list. But could we still delist him and then redraft him in the rookie draft?

Can't see Attard going anywhere other than onto the senior list. Basically cemented himself in the 22 last year and if he isn't kept as a rookie next year, it won't be because were delisting him, but instead that we're promoting him.

skeptic · Post: # 610897Post **skeptic** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 11:13pm

well we knew Attard would miss all season when we retained him on the list...

i suspect he'd already done enough

Otiman · Post: # 610901Post **Otiman** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 11:20pm

The solid performances of Dempster have really put a dampener on our requirements of Attard. Now that we are shying away from the fully defensive gameplan we attempted to perfect last year, I don't think there is room in the side for a stopper who can't win his own ball.

nicko016 · Post: # 610909Post **nicko016** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 11:26pm

While there probably isn't room for him as a tagger with Dempster and the emergence of McQualter I can see him becoming a decent running HB or back pocket because from what I can remember he has a decent kick when he can get his hands and is also a good mobile size. Plus, the way the game is at the moment, there can always be plenty of running backmen in the team.

Otiman · Post: # 610912Post **Otiman** » Sun 27 Jul 2008 11:28pm

nicko016 wrote:While there probably isn't room for him as a tagger with Dempster and the emergence of McQualter I can see him becoming a decent running HB or back pocket because from what I can remember he has a decent kick when he can get his hands and is also a good mobile size. Plus, the way the game is at the moment, there can always be plenty of running backmen in the team.

Perhaps. We have had Gilbert play on Betts, Rioli, Williams, and Aker towelled us up earlier in the year. Perhaps Attard would be good in this role, if he retains his speed after the injury.

saintsRrising · Sun 27 Jul 2008 11:28pm

Otiman wrote:
, I don't think there is room in the side for a stopper who can't win his own ball.

except in the back pocket shutting down those small forwards that often seem to get goals against us as we do not havea good option here when Bakes is out.

mick13 · Post: # 610951Post **mick13** » Mon 28 Jul 2008 1:06am

With the mention of Chivers, can anyone tell me why we picked him up?

Not even playing for Caseys 1s at the moment, and I know nothing about him... At least Miles, McQ, LVR have all done something/been heard about, but I know nothing about this kid, and Im sure a lot of you guys here dont either...

bobmurray · Post: # 610952Post **bobmurray** » Mon 28 Jul 2008 1:10am

Chivers has been injured most of the year but maybe he is another dude who's attitude has been found wanting.......

The thing with rookies is you have to churn at least some of the one's on the list so that you don't miss out on the next good one......

borderbarry · Mon 28 Jul 2008 11:20am

I dont think he will be kept. We have Kahn Haretuku, and another NSW scholarship boy who at 18, is 208cm and will be due to come up as a Scholarship rookie for next season.

BAM! (shhhh) · Mon 28 Jul 2008 1:53pm

nicko016 wrote:As LVR is in his second year we can't retain him on the rookie list. But could we still delist him and then redraft him in the rookie draft?

Can't see Attard going anywhere other than onto the senior list. Basically cemented himself in the 22 last year and if he isn't kept as a rookie next year, it won't be because were delisting him, but instead that we're promoting him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie_list :

Each club is allowed to maintain a list of up to six eligible players, whilst Brisbane and Sydney can list a maximum of nine. Up to three rookies can be retained for a second or third season, with the others having to be either delisted or elevated to the primary list at the time of the National Draft.

I would expect us to retain Attard as a rookie.

I'm also curious as to whether we'll retain Luke Van Rheenan. Ruckmen take longer, but as we have other options in the pipeline now, do we see him being able to achieve elevation after another 12 months, or are we better off using the spot for someone else.

From what I hear, there's supposed to be good depth in this years draft, which would signal it as being a good year to take rookie picks given the worries in the next few drafts.

Unless Van Rheenan is seen as a project likely to bear fruit, I'd suspect it'll be tough luck but seeya later.

mad saint guy · Mon 28 Jul 2008 6:21pm

Van Rheenen - Did nothing last year and injured this year. Was always a long shot and he hasn't shown enough to be retained. Delist

Attard - In peak form he was an average tagger who mildly negated his opponent and never goes near the footy himself. With the reco he will have lost pace (one of his few strengths). The form of Dempster, McQualter and Eddy will surely mean he is not kept. Delist

Chivers - Hasn't done anything to impress at any level. Delist

Eddy - Earning his spot at senior level. Elevate

McQualter - See above. Elevate

Miles - Injured for most of the year but has shown very promising signs when fit. Some chance of elevation, but I think he might spend another year on the rookie list. Retain

Haretuku - Not sure if he will count as a rookie or take the spot of anyone else. If he is a freebie then he'll stay. If not, he'll probably go.

saintsRrising · Mon 28 Jul 2008 6:24pm

mad saint guy wrote:Van Rheenen - Did nothing last year and injured this year. Was always a long shot and he hasn't shown enough to be retained. Delist

Attard - In peak form he was an average tagger who mildly negated his opponent and never goes near the footy himself. With the reco he will have lost pace (one of his few strengths). The form of Dempster, McQualter and Eddy will surely mean he is not kept. Delist

Chivers - Hasn't done anything to impress at any level. Delist

Eddy - Earning his spot at senior level. Elevate

McQualter - See above. Elevate

Miles - Injured for most of the year but has shown very promising signs when fit. Some chance of elevation, but I think he might spend another year on the rookie list. Retain

Haretuku - Not sure if he will count as a rookie or take the spot of anyone else. If he is a freebie then he'll stay. If not, he'll probably go.

Yes agree...except for Attard.
He demonstrated he can shut down players and did enough in his first year to be rewarded with another year to make it.

remboy · Post: # 611504Post **remboy** » Mon 28 Jul 2008 9:19pm

We're going to have to take a serious look at our ruck stocks at the end of the year. We've got King, Gardiner & Rix who are specialist rucks then Kosi and Blake can pinch hit, then there's McEvoy who needs a bit of time. I think only Rix won't keep his spot next year. How many do you need on your list at once?
If we can retain him as a rookie I think we will. If not he won't be getting promoted to the senior list.

saintly_safes · Tue 29 Jul 2008 8:26pm

Work with a guy that helps out at Swan Districts & he rekons Luke Miles is a gun. Pitty he been injured most of the season. Has anyone seen him play? If so what do you think? Is he worth hanging on to?

Otiman · Post: # 611978Post **Otiman** » Tue 29 Jul 2008 8:41pm

saintly_safes wrote:Work with a guy that helps out at Swan Districts & he rekons Luke Miles is a gun. Pitty he been injured most of the season. Has anyone seen him play? If so what do you think? Is he worth hanging on to?

Yes. Worth elevating off the rookie list.

It's just a matter of him staying injury free.

evertonfc · Post: # 612001Post **evertonfc** » Tue 29 Jul 2008 9:57pm

...if we can have LVR for another year as a rookie, he can stay. If not, delist.

Miles looks a likely type. He's safe; Eddy and McQualter have both earned a promotion.

Attard was an average player before he did his knee; Dempster has his spot now. Massively overrated by our fans. Can't find the footy - shut down roles can be performed by several others elsewhere.