First Round Pick...

[FortiusQuoFidelius]

Under no circumstances should the Saints trade their first round pick. Look what we ended up with last time they traded it... Fergus Watts!

Our first round pick should be used to draft the best young player available, whether a forward, back, midfielder or follower.

We should be sending this message to the club loud and clear!

[evertonfc]

Under no circumstances should the Saints use their first round pick in the draft. Look what we ended up with last few times used it... Ben McEvoy, David Armitage, Andrew McQualter, Raphael Clarke.

"Future premiership superstars!"

[FortiusQuoFidelius]

Under no circumstances should the Saints use their first round pick in the draft. Look what we ended up with last few times used it... Ben McEvoy, David Armitage, Andrew McQualter, Raphael Clarke.

Premiership class superstars!

Are you serious? Each of them have played more games than Fergus Watts could ever dream about! (With the exception of Ben McEvoy - he has equalled Watts games record for St Kilda...)

[Cro]

Under no circumstances should the Saints use their first round pick in the draft. Look what we ended up with last few times used it... Ben McEvoy, David Armitage, Andrew McQualter, Raphael Clarke.

Premiership class superstars!

Are you serious? Each of them have played more games than Fergus Watts could ever dream about! (With the exception of Ben McEvoy - he has equalled Watts games record for St Kilda...)

Yeah, but we've used picks more often than we've traded. So trading this time could be the go, especially as our pick is getting on in the first round.

[Con Gorozidis]

fergus watts. only st kilda would do something that dumb. maybe freo. i remember pagans kid got drafted but not a first round!

seriously his old man should be hung up for that. what a bunch of amateurs.

"hey guys - my son is awesome - lets use our first pick on him"

[FortiusQuoFidelius]

Didnt we also trade our first round pick in 2002 for Barry Brooks??

I rest my case Your Honour!

[JeffDunne]

fergus watts. only st kilda would do something that dumb. maybe freo.

North Melbourne says hi.

Very few clubs don't make decisions that in hindsight look stupid.

We paid market rates for Watts when we signed him. Unfortunately, unlike you, the club didn't have a crystal ball.

[evertonfc]

Under no circumstances should the Saints use their first round pick in the draft. Look what we ended up with last few times used it... Ben McEvoy, David Armitage, Andrew McQualter, Raphael Clarke.

Premiership class superstars!

Are you serious? Each of them have played more games than Fergus Watts could ever dream about! (With the exception of Ben McEvoy - he has equalled Watts games record for St Kilda...)

I'm not saying they're crap - not at all - it's just that the first round in recent years has not delivered us anything of note thus far.

Personally, with the deals on offer during this one trade week, and given our very public deficiencies, we'd be negligent not to move for either Kerr (preferably) or Didak.

And quite frankly, I don't trust our recruiting staff. We haven't picked up one decent player from the draft since 2003 (Sam Fisher).

[Geezer]

Didnt we also trade our first round pick in 2002 for Barry Brooks??

I rest my case Your Honour!

we traded BOTH picks #6 and #31 for brooks.

#6 was the pick we got from hawthorn for the everitt trade
and on traded to port who took salopek.

salopek. mackie, selwood, lonergan all in that draft and were picked around pick 6-30

but if i had a do over - id keep brooks

[evertonfc]

Didnt we also trade our first round pick in 2002 for Barry Brooks??

I rest my case Your Honour!

Did we use our first round pick on Caydn Beetham in 1999?

I rest my case. FFS

[FortiusQuoFidelius]

fergus watts. only st kilda would do something that dumb. maybe freo.

North Melbourne says hi.

Very few clubs don't make decisions that in hindsight look stupid.

We paid market rates for Watts when we signed him. Unfortunately, unlike you, the club didn't have a crystal ball.

You're correct, we dont have a crystal ball, but we should use the benefit of hindsight. The club would be foolish if they didnt!

[JeffDunne]

Personally I reckon you're nuts if you are adamant one way or the other.

If there's a ready made player available for a late first round pick - why not do the trade?

[evertonfc]

Personally I reckon you're nuts if you are adamant one way or the other.

If there's a ready made player available for a late first round pick - why not do the trade?

Exactly.

[Geezer]

our ability to draft talls and develop them (apart from anyone called N.Reiwoldt) is a quandry.
has been for years.
is there a bermuda triange down linton street that sucks the ability out of any tall that walks in the gate ?

[FortiusQuoFidelius]

Personally I reckon you're nuts if you are adamant one way or the other.

If there's a ready made player available for a late first round pick - why not do the trade?

Yes, but not a "ready made" player with off field issues like Kerr or Didak or Cousins. Recruiting these type of players will destroy the culture the club has worked hard to instill. We're better off drafting a good kid with a bit of talent than a ratbag superstar!!

[Cro]

Personally I reckon you're nuts if you are adamant one way or the other.

If there's a ready made player available for a late first round pick - why not do the trade?

Yes, but not a "ready made" player with off field issues like Kerr or Didak or Cousins. Recruiting these type of players will destroy the culture the club has worked hard to instill. We're better off drafting a good kid with a bit of talent than a ratbag superstar!!

We would be better off off-field, I doubt we'd be better off on field..

[FortiusQuoFidelius]

Didnt we also trade our first round pick in 2002 for Barry Brooks??

I rest my case Your Honour!

Did we use our first round pick on Caydn Beetham in 1999?

I rest my case. FFS

In 1999 we also traded pick #39 for Justin Plapp...

The defence rests but reserves the right to rebuttal.

[evertonfc]

We would be better off off-field, I doubt we'd be better off on field..

Precisely.

Happy to have a few rogues on the premiership dias next year.

[Con Gorozidis]

fergus watts. only st kilda would do something that dumb. maybe freo.

North Melbourne says hi.

Very few clubs don't make decisions that in hindsight look stupid.

We paid market rates for Watts when we signed him. Unfortunately, unlike you, the club didn't have a crystal ball.

market rates my ass. only the saints rated him. if he was so good why couldnt he get a game at the crows? why did they trade him?? crows were chuckling with that trade.
stop excusing idiocy with the excuse "other clubs make mistakes too". im really BORED of that excuse.

the fact is he was rated more highly by the sinats than anyone else because of the relationship with his old man. to think otherwise would be kidding ourselves.

[Cro]

We would be better off off-field, I doubt we'd be better off on field..

Precisely.

Happy to have a few rogues on the premiership dias next year.

I'll drink to that. :p

Also, what did Adelaide get from the Watts trade?

[JeffDunne]

fergus watts. only st kilda would do something that dumb. maybe freo.

North Melbourne says hi.

Very few clubs don't make decisions that in hindsight look stupid.

We paid market rates for Watts when we signed him. Unfortunately, unlike you, the club didn't have a crystal ball.

market rates my ass. only the saints rated him. if he was so good why couldnt he get a game at the crows? why did they trade him?? crows were chuckling with that trade.
stop excusing idiocy with the excuse "other clubs make mistakes too". im really BORED of that excuse.

the fact is he was rated more highly by the sinats than anyone else because of the relationship with his old man. to think otherwise would be kidding ourselves.

I think you should go back and revist the quotes from Crows officials when he said he wanted out.

The Crows didn't want to trade him - he said he wanted out. In fact Adelaide went quite feral about the prospect of him walking out.

Someone's kidding themselves here and it aint me.

[FortiusQuoFidelius]

We would be better off off-field, I doubt we'd be better off on field..

Precisely.

Happy to have a few rogues on the premiership dias next year.

I'll drink to that. :p

Also, what did Adelaide get from the Watts trade?

Adelaide used the pick to draft Darren Pfeiffer who never played a senior game and was delisted at the end of 2007

[saintspremiers]

We would be better off off-field, I doubt we'd be better off on field..

Precisely.

Happy to have a few rogues on the premiership dias next year.

well Lyon doesn't want a team full of blokes you could take to Nanna's for Sunday Roast, so that GT hang-up is now history...

As for trusting the recruiting staff, let's hope the extra money/staff in the footy dept will help our intellegence gathering/decision making.....but I sort of agree with you re the trusting aspect - they really need to deliver big time on the 1st rounder, be it by trading or draft table selection.

[ace]

2007 McEvoy 9
2006 Armitage 9
2005 Watts 17
2004 McQualter 17
2003 R Clarke 8
2002 Brooks 6
2001 X Clarke 5
2001 Dal Santo 13
2001 Black 17
1999 Beetham 9

2002 Goddard 1
2001 Ball 2
2000 Riewoldt 1
2000 Koschitzke 2
2000 Hamiill 4

Am I the only person who can see the pattern.
Unless the first round pick is in the first 4 and the correct use is starring them in the face, St Kilda recruitment get it wrong no matter whether they trade or pick.
If they pick, with few exceptions, they pick a softy.

Lets be honest, they were told to pick Goddard, Ball, Riewoldt and Koschitzke in the newspapers.

The best solution may be to admit defeat and simply sell any first round pick for CASH and 6th round picks. The AFL changed the rules, you no longer need a player involved.

[Beno88]

Adelaide used the pick to draft Darren Pfeiffer who never played a senior game and was delisted at the end of 2007

He has since been picked up by Carlton and played 7 games this year.