Were we robbed of two goals ?

[Enrico_Misso]

I was sitting on L3 behind the goals at the Northern end.

1) Looked like Roo got his foot to the ball a metre out just before the defender got his hand there but called as touched.
(That broke our run of 13 goals straight in Qtrs 2 to 3).

2) The snapshot from Gram a bit later that qtr looked to be clearly over the line before a WCE fist touched it.

Has anyone seen these on slow-mo or better on side angles ?

[matrix]

saw roos one on slow mo.
looked like he kicked it

[carnasaints55]

definitely kicked it. no question about it. maybe a little question, but i thought he had kicked it

[maverick]

Yep and add another one where Roo handballed to BJ ( i think) in the first qtr, but was called a throw.

That ump is up for a holiday next week

[Enrico_Misso]

Yep and add another one where Roo handballed to BJ ( i think) in the first qtr, but was called a throw.

That ump is up for a holiday next week

It was a one handed paddle of a ball that was on the deck.
Definitely not a handball.
But definitely not a throw !

[Bernard Shakey]

We kicked 25 goals and won by 97 points.

In the scheme of things I don't think 2 or 3 out of the dozens of umpiring errors during the game mean much.

Bring on Freo.

[vergs]

I was sitting in the Social Club forward pocket area on Level 1 and Gram's long bomb was at least half a metre over the goal line before it got touched. Unbelievable decision. Riewoldt's "throw" to Goddard who snapped what should have been his 4th goal in the opening quarter seemed to be a legitimate handball. What made that decision more perplexing is that the umpire called it a throw when he was on the opposite side of the pack. It would have been near impossible for him to see anything that would vindicate his decision. I couldn't judge whether Riewoldt's kick on the goaline was touched or not, but the sheer velocity of the ball suggests that the last thing it touched would have been Riewoldt's flying foot and not a defenders hand. So thats possibly 3 goals that we were very unlucky not to have on the scoreboard.

[kosifantutti23]

It was a one handed paddle of a ball that was on the deck.
Definitely not a handball.
But definitely not a throw !

He looked like he would do that but then he punched it with his other hand. Definite handball. Cost Goddard a 5th goal in the first quarter.

[Loyal]

I was sitting in the Social Club forward pocket area on Level 1 and Gram's long bomb was at least half a metre over the goal line before it got touched.

shame really as it was a really nice kick from fifty after the earlier goal from him.
bold statement: it was almost a whole of one meter over the line.

[saintdooley]

i nearly jumped the fence and killed the goal ump when he called Grams GOAL 'touched'

[JABBER]

i watched the game live on foxtell roo handball at first site looked a throw but handballed it kick of the ground come of defender last and showed no replay of Gram goal although a st kilda player in the goal square should have stopped the eagles player touching it

[Animal Enclosure]

We sit directly side on to the Lockett end goals on L2 & we could clearly see Gram's kick pass the goal line before the Eagles player touched it.

Roo's goal was kicked out of the hand of the Eagles defender (was paid touched and not kicking in danger!).

The umpire was on the same side of the pack as we were & you couldn't judge whether Roo threw the ball or not. He guessed & then gifted the Eagles a goal through a rubbish 50 metre penalty. Umpire Stefan Grun. Same idiot that was offended by Brad Johnson's gesture last week & hit him with a 50.

[Loyal]

i nearly jumped the fence and killed the goal ump when he called Grams GOAL 'touched'

it was an absolutely disgraceful blunder from the goal umpire that needs to be replayed to him so that he can learn. you cant call them touched. that was a blistering kick from fifty and a beautiful goal.

you were right to remind that idiot dools.

[Saints Premiers 2008]

it was the difference between winning and loosing

[Huzzad]

Don't forget Goddard's goal that was disallowed because Roo "threw" it, when the footage clearly showed he handballed it.

[maverick]

Yep and add another one where Roo handballed to BJ ( i think) in the first qtr, but was called a throw.

That ump is up for a holiday next week

It was a one handed paddle of a ball that was on the deck.
Definitely not a handball.
But definitely not a throw !

Have another look, definitely a handball.

[maverick]

We sit directly side on to the Lockett end goals on L2 & we could clearly see Gram's kick pass the goal line before the Eagles player touched it.

Roo's goal was kicked out of the hand of the Eagles defender (was paid touched and not kicking in danger!).

The umpire was on the same side of the pack as we were & you couldn't judge whether Roo threw the ball or not. He guessed & then gifted the Eagles a goal through a rubbish 50 metre penalty. Umpire Stefan Grun. Same idiot that was offended by Brad Johnson's gesture last week & hit him with a 50.

Ump must be dropped, cannot guess like that

[SainterK]

Don't get me started on the umpiring this year

[sunsaint]

Yep and add another one where Roo handballed to BJ ( i think) in the first qtr, but was called a throw.

That ump is up for a holiday next week

It was a one handed paddle of a ball that was on the deck.
Definitely not a handball.
But definitely not a throw !

Have another look, definitely a handball.

exactly, I think Enrico must have his umpire glasses on
clearly a handball from Roo

[Enrico_Misso]

I think Enrico must have his umpire glasses on
clearly a handball from Roo

From my vantage point he certainly seemed to shape to paddle it.

But I happily defer to your judgement and the benefit of a replay.

[Enrico_Misso]

Don't get me started on the umpiring this year

Why ?

[Hurricane]

Short awnser is yes

Long awnser is yes but it didnt matter at the end of the day

BANG BANG

[Solar]

I was sitting in the Social Club forward pocket area on Level 1 and Gram's long bomb was at least half a metre over the goal line before it got touched. Unbelievable decision. Riewoldt's "throw" to Goddard who snapped what should have been his 4th goal in the opening quarter seemed to be a legitimate handball. What made that decision more perplexing is that the umpire called it a throw when he was on the opposite side of the pack. It would have been near impossible for him to see anything that would vindicate his decision. I couldn't judge whether Riewoldt's kick on the goaline was touched or not, but the sheer velocity of the ball suggests that the last thing it touched would have been Riewoldt's flying foot and not a defenders hand. So thats possibly 3 goals that we were very unlucky not to have on the scoreboard.

to be fair young man that umpire not only could not see the handpass/throw by roo but the football had actually rebounded off the goal post

This was the problem all day, he umpires were stuck on the wrong sid of packs and just guessed via the outcome not what they actually saw.

Little bit disapointing..... was terrible both ways

[Saints Premiers 2008]

you people are losers...umpires get it wrong...much likes players

we won by 16 goals...deal kiddies deal

[Solar]

you people are losers...umpires get it wrong...much likes players

we won by 16 goals...deal kiddies deal

how dare we talk about the game today

this is the problem with the umpiring these days, no one is willing to make the call that it was wrong because certain people come out and accuss them of umpire bashing.

The level was very poor from the umpiring group today. So was the play of the eagles. Strange how we can say the second bit but not the first.........