King ...out of form or

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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057526Post wally »

Sometimes when judging a player I consider how they would go in an opposition team.
How would he go at Collingwood? Probably ok.
How about Geelong ? Replace Hawkins with king prob ok, vice versa would Hawkins improve us ?
He’s not Carey or Roo but he’s a good player I don’t think our team play helps him and his demeanour looks negative.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057527Post B.M »

Walked into a 10 year rebuild

In 2 of Kings 5 seasons we have played finals.

Back Peddling or setting you straight?!

I’ll tell you what, you can accept that effort, from a player who is yet to deliver.

I’ll challenge extremely poor effort


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057537Post The_Dud »

Teflon wrote: Tue 07 May 2024 9:00pm From BF ..thank **** for some perspective

I find the King hate extraordinary. Tom Hawkins in his first 5 seasons played 79 games and kicked 107 goals. King has played 76 games in 5 seasons and kicked 147 goals.
Hawkins is a B grade forward who has had the blessing of playing his whole career being fed by an elite midfield.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057609Post SAINT-LEE »

Scollop wrote: Wed 08 May 2024 2:06am
SAINT-LEE wrote: Tue 07 May 2024 4:19pm
SaintPav wrote: Tue 07 May 2024 12:12am No comparison to Roo at the same stage of his career.

None at all.
Definitely not....

2001Nick waltzes into Harvard - Gehrig, Everitt, Loewe, Hall...with Hamill, Hayes, Harvey, Milne in the mid and small forwards....SUPPORT. ALL DAY EVERY GAME...for years.

King crawls into Frankston TAFE and he's got who ? The world class AAA Membrey ? Good player but hardly a forward legend of the game from whom King is mentored, sheltered, guided, and led to greatness....multiple different rucks and a mid field thats B grade at very very best...prob more like C+.


This is what Ive said for years....we draft a hopeful KPP but have no star quality seniors to guide and mentor the pups then we sh1t all over them for fumbling their way through a munted career.

Can a player do it on his own with no guidance? Yes. Is it often? No its actually rare...
Good post

People can't have it both ways.

Most on this forum were happy we let go of Josh Bruce. Sure, he wasn't a star, but he would have been very handy while King was just learning the caper

You and I argued that it was a mistake to have Membrey as the only KP player left in our forward line.

Thinking about Josh Bruce and his move to the Dogs. I'm sure Bevo had in mind for him to be the guy taking the number 1 or number 2 KP Defender, while Ugle-Hagan was doing his apprenticeship
Exactly why I was gutted let Bruce go.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057611Post nostalgicsaint »

Bruce had as many bad things to teach as good.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057694Post Scollop »

Wouldn't mind if Ross Lyon made a statement with selection and dropped King.

Cooper Sharman played a very good game for Sandringham last week. He played in the backline but I'm sure he'd love to play as one of the KP forward targets

He should be rewarded....but he probably won't get a game while King/Membrey/Owens and Hayes are in the team and...

While the backline is stable with Battle, Howard, Wilkie, Stocker, NWM, and Webster.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057703Post Yorkeys »

Scollop wrote: Thu 09 May 2024 3:26pm "Wouldn't mind if Ross Lyon made a statement with selection and dropped King.".......

That statement would be something like
"I'm a teapot"
and be best delivered in a clown suit standing on the corner of Flinders and Elizabeth.
Hawthorn fans would throw coins of appreciation and giggle at the silliness.


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Re: King ...out of form or

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We have had a fixation on having a full forward….and looking at last nights game Petracca 5 goals……meanwhile we have the messiah who can’t mark or kick straight, walks around with his head looking at the ground not interested…..we could have one of our other forwards having a bash and recruit bigger mids


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Re: King ...out of form or

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We have had a fixation on having a full forward….and looking at last nights game Petracca 5 goals……meanwhile we have the messiah who can’t mark or kick straight, walks around with his head looking at the ground not interested…..we could have one of our other forwards having a bash and recruit bigger mids


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057889Post CURLY »

seano1 wrote: Fri 10 May 2024 5:41pm We have had a fixation on having a full forward….and looking at last nights game Petracca 5 goals……meanwhile we have the messiah who can’t mark or kick straight, walks around with his head looking at the ground not interested…..we could have one of our other forwards having a bash and recruit bigger mids
Melbournes biggest problem is they have no key forward.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057971Post Saints58 »

Otiman wrote: Sat 04 May 2024 8:26pm He's not the wrestling contested mark forward he thinks he is.

Needs to play much further up the ground.










Kind should play at CHF he has the athleticism to be a champion CHF. He would generally only find 1 opponents there and with his skill in the air and below his knees would be a hard match up.
He would have to lead and would give him room to get a runup to the ball for a marking option.
Play Hayes at FF that would be a very dangerous forward line, add member to that and the small forwards.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057975Post B.M »

Yep

And that’s as obvious as Tony Abbott’s ears


HF: Hill - King - Henry

F: Membrey - Hayes - Higgins


Owens - Midfielder/Forward


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Re: King ...out of form or

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CURLY wrote: Fri 10 May 2024 7:54pm
seano1 wrote: Fri 10 May 2024 5:41pm We have had a fixation on having a full forward….and looking at last nights game Petracca 5 goals……meanwhile we have the messiah who can’t mark or kick straight, walks around with his head looking at the ground not interested…..we could have one of our other forwards having a bash and recruit bigger mids
Melbournes biggest problem is they have no key forward.

And how are they going …recently won a premiership ….doing ok so far this year 4th on the ladder


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2057981Post Yorkeys »

seano1 wrote: Sat 11 May 2024 1:28pm
CURLY wrote: Fri 10 May 2024 7:54pm
seano1 wrote: Fri 10 May 2024 5:41pm We have had a fixation on having a full forward….and looking at last nights game Petracca 5 goals……meanwhile we have the messiah who can’t mark or kick straight, walks around with his head looking at the ground not interested…..we could have one of our other forwards having a bash and recruit bigger mids
Melbournes biggest problem is they have no key forward.

And how are they going …recently won a premiership ….doing ok so far this year 4th on the ladder
Should have won 3 premierships. It lacks an effective big key forward.

Would give the Warne Stand for a player like King. Would have won Thursday with King.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2058331Post bobmurray »

As for the thread title, i'm going with or.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2058350Post nefron55 »

nah, entries were the problem today. king looked ok. not great, but ok.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2058713Post skeptic »

Interesting stat posted on Saints Uncensored

King 149 goals in 77 games.
Hawkins 90.
Curnow 124.
Brown 87

King 155 contested marks
Hawkins 106
Curnow 120
Brown 115

🤫🤫🤫


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2058722Post aaron82 »

In comparison to all of the other key forwards of the last 10 years, King’s goals are similar at a games played stand point. My issue is what he is doing when we don’t have the ball. Will not put any inferred pressure on or attempt to lay a tackle. He is miles behind every other key forward except his brother. Mind you, we have a few players currently running around who don’t apply pressure


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2058727Post Greg T »

CURLY wrote: Fri 10 May 2024 7:54pm
seano1 wrote: Fri 10 May 2024 5:41pm We have had a fixation on having a full forward….and looking at last nights game Petracca 5 goals……meanwhile we have the messiah who can’t mark or kick straight, walks around with his head looking at the ground not interested…..we could have one of our other forwards having a bash and recruit bigger mids
Melbournes biggest problem is they have no key forward.
If we had Melbs midfield ,King would 80+


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2058787Post Teflon »

nefron55 wrote: Sat 11 May 2024 6:46pm nah, entries were the problem today. king looked ok. not great, but ok.
The King hysteria by the uninformed is laughable- least of our issues
As coach said - symptomatic of other upfield garbage going on
Put King into Dogs next to Ugle Hagen , Naughton watch him star
At Saints he has to kick bags each week or he’s trade-able
We have some dumb fans.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2058789Post Yorkeys »

Surely Caminiti and Sharman have to come in given the size of Freos defenders? If Max can nullify Pierce it would also help.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2058793Post Teflon »

Yorkeys wrote: Sun 12 May 2024 6:04pm Surely Caminiti and Sharman have to come in given the size of Freos defenders? If Max can nullify Pierce it would also help.
I’d keep Hayes with King bring Sharman in drop Membrey


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2058829Post Vortex »

skeptic wrote: Sun 12 May 2024 2:45pm Interesting stat posted on Saints Uncensored

King 149 goals in 77 games.
Hawkins 90.
Curnow 124.
Brown 87

King 155 contested marks
Hawkins 106
Curnow 120
Brown 115

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What about his stats for work with ball not in hand.

Would be interested to see his stats for tackles and pressure and defensive acts.

He's not working hard enough in that part of his game.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2059514Post Scollop »

Nick Riewoldt has come out and said Max doesn't work hard enough. Plus...he lacks forward craft.

Well done to the bozo amateurs Lethlean and Co. for releasing Josh Bruce at the end of 2019.

Who the bloody hell was Max supposed to learn from when all of a sudden in his first year in footy, he's being asked to be the number 1 key position forward?!!

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/thi ... 531m8.html

Bruce said it felt surreal wearing the Bulldogs colours after six years at the Saints and agreed his move represented a sound business decision more than anything else as St Kilda weren’t willing to offer him the length of contract he was after.


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Re: King ...out of form or

Post: # 2059528Post Teflon »

skeptic wrote: Sun 12 May 2024 2:45pm Interesting stat posted on Saints Uncensored

King 149 goals in 77 games.
Hawkins 90.
Curnow 124.
Brown 87

King 155 contested marks
Hawkins 106
Curnow 120
Brown 115

🤫🤫🤫
Case closed.
But let’s trade him ….ffs I’ve heard sone dumb shyte
“Man-up” still the best I’ve read on here ….msybe get him out the back with the boxing gloves with nails in them just to “toughen him up”
80s clowns.
Hilarious (good music tho😉)


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