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This is how I currently rank our playing list. It is based on current form, past form and gut feel for the future.
It is how I precede with contract and salary cap negotiations. Anyone outside the top 20 I would only be giving minimum wage and short (1-2 year) contracts to.
1. Steven
2. Ross
3. Newnes
4. Riewoldt
5. Carlisle
6. Membrey
7. Roberton
8. Billings
9. Webster
10. Armitage
11. Brown
12. Geary
13. Gresham
14. Gilbert
15. Acres
16. Steele
17. Montagna
18. Bruce
19. McCartin
20. Hickey
Great thread - this should be how salary is determined but problem is it constantly changes!!
I'd have Gilbert and Brown lower and Longer added around 15 or so. I've been super impressed with him even though he doesn't get a lot of love from others. Just a monster in the ruck, which is what I value from a ruckman. The rest of his game will come.
McKenzie is one who I think will be a great weapon for us. Developing and has a lot of tools.
To the top wrote:On first glance, too high, and by far in some instances, are Membrey, Webster, Brown and Geary.
And too low are Acres and Hickey.
I reckon Geary might struggle to get a game next year if Rice and White come on...
I could see a backline of
Webster Brown Rice
White Carlisle Roberton
Acres has plenty of upside and Hickey could rise in to the top 10 and it wouldnt surprise me in the least.
I think Membrey,, Webster and Brown have all been fairly reliable this year. I think we have really missed Webster the last two weeks.
Con Gorozidis wrote:This is how I currently rank our playing list. It is based on current form, past form and gut feel for the future.
It is how I precede with contract and salary cap negotiations. Anyone outside the top 20 I would only be giving minimum wage and short (1-2 year) contracts to.
1. Steven
2. Ross
3. Newnes
4. Riewoldt
5. Carlisle
6. Membrey
7. Roberton
8. Billings
9. Webster
10. Armitage
11. Brown
12. Geary
13. Gresham
14. Gilbert
15. Acres
16. Steele
17. Montagna
18. Bruce
19. McCartin
20. Hickey
I would rank Geary at 5 and gilbert at 10. Brown at 15.
So you would have a guy who does not man up and on whom the opposition does not man up on because they want the ball in his hands at Number 5 in the Club?
There is our problem
Geary's position has to transition to White, McKenzie or Rice - and the quicker the better
It's an interesting exercise - and slightly deflating.
If you grab the 2009 list and do the same exercise, it's a sharp contrast in quality at the top end. Really highlights the cream that we are missing to become serious contenders.
“If you want the rainbow you gotta put up with rain” Dolly Parton
Con Gorozidis wrote:This is how I currently rank our playing list. It is based on current form, past form and gut feel for the future.
It is how I precede with contract and salary cap negotiations. Anyone outside the top 20 I would only be giving minimum wage and short (1-2 year) contracts to.
1. Steven
2. Ross
3. Newnes
4. Riewoldt
5. Carlisle
6. Membrey
7. Roberton
8. Billings
9. Webster
10. Armitage
11. Brown
12. Geary
13. Gresham
14. Gilbert
15. Acres
16. Steele
17. Montagna
18. Bruce
19. McCartin
20. Hickey
I seem to be the only Mav supporter in this forum.
Fortunately the coaching staff and playing group see Mav's contribution my way.
Guess his last two B&F finishes were a fluke.
No replies sought.
On current form, and what else can you go by, Hickey should not be there, replace him with Longer. Gilbert should be in the top 10, and Roberton about 5.
On his form this year perhaps Bruce should not be in our top 20.
I will re-phrase it a little and list the 20 players on our CURRENT List who will be vital to St Kilda consistently challenging over future years:-
(NB: I have excluded our 3 veterans who remain vital to our 2017 season and, definitely in regards Gilbert at least, in 2018)
Steven
Carlisle
Billings
Mc Cartin
Acres
Freeman
Ross
Steele
Newnes
Dunstan
Armitage
Hickey
Gresham
Bruce
Roberton
White
Webster
Mc Kenzie
Goddard
Rice
We will be using First Round Drfat Picks and we will be trading so the List will change.
But, currently, our future is in the hands of these players.
So fit those names into side and see what you come up with - and where the holes are!!!
Zed wrote:It's an interesting exercise - and slightly deflating.
If you grab the 2009 list and do the same exercise, it's a sharp contrast in quality at the top end. Really highlights the cream that we are missing to become serious contenders.
and just two weeks ago some were suggesting our current list actually compares quite favourably.
"The starting point of all achievement is desire. "
Zed wrote:It's an interesting exercise - and slightly deflating.
If you grab the 2009 list and do the same exercise, it's a sharp contrast in quality at the top end. Really highlights the cream that we are missing to become serious contenders.
and just two weeks ago some were suggesting our current list actually compares quite favourably.
Fickle posters?????
'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!! We will be great again once Billy is back playing!!!!!
Zed wrote:It's an interesting exercise - and slightly deflating.
If you grab the 2009 list and do the same exercise, it's a sharp contrast in quality at the top end. Really highlights the cream that we are missing to become serious contenders.
and just two weeks ago some were suggesting our current list actually compares quite favourably.
If I recall , it was more in reference to the bottom half, say players 12-22 on the current list stacked up favourably. You could argue a case potentially for that.
“If you want the rainbow you gotta put up with rain” Dolly Parton
I have always believed that if Penny stayed fit we would have won in 04.
The guy was an absolute gun. Top shelf. Was a huge blow losing him. Totally under rated player.
Con Gorozidis wrote:I have always believed that if Penny stayed fit we would have won in 04.
The guy was an absolute gun. Top shelf. Was a huge blow losing him. Totally under rated player.
Yeah indeed ConnyBoy, Luke was a jet, just let down by he's body!!!!!
'Cause StoneCold Said So'!!!!! We will be great again once Billy is back playing!!!!!
AFL league rankings going from their past 40 games
12 Jack Steven
57 Sebastian Ross
88 David Armitage
95 Leigh Montagna
112 Jack Newnes
132 Nick Riewoldt
150 Shane Savage
155 Tom Hickey
158 Sam Gilbert
162 Dylan Roberton
165 Maverick Weller
187 Luke Dunstan
201 Tim Membrey
213 Jarryn Geary
240 Blake Acres
255 Jade Gresham
- 261 Sean Dempster
264 Jack Steele
277 Jack Billings
300 Josh Bruce
311 Nathan J. Brown