Don't expect to see Kosi dropped

[StNoodles]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

ST KILDA coach Ross Lyon has leapt to the defence of forward Justin Koschitzke after his quiet showing against Collingwood last week.

[saintspremiers]

He was injured for 3 weeks, has one bad game, then gets shyte canned.

Talk about a load of crap.

I reckon the big fella will kick 2 goals and be serviceable this week against the Hawks.

[nuttsy]

geez I hope so

[samoht]

Kosi at his best is the best - we all agree with that.

Enough discussion and articles written - I'd consider Lyon a great coach if he can now get the best out of him for the finals - if Kosi fires we will win the GF - he will make the difference and he's that important.

No more talk - ACTION

[clarky449]

Kosi at his best is the best - we all agree with that.

Enough discussion and articles written - I'd consider Lyon a great coach if he can now get the best out of him for the finals - if Kosi fires we will win the GF - he will make the difference.

No more talk - ACTION

Kosi at his best is not the best.

[Mooksy]

Hang on a sec....WTF has he done all year??! Kosi apologists give me the absolute sh*ts!

[samoht]

Kosi at his best is the best - we all agree with that.

Enough discussion and articles written - I'd consider Lyon a great coach if he can now get the best out of him for the finals - if Kosi fires we will win the GF - he will make the difference.

No more talk - ACTION

Kosi at his best is not the best.

I guess I'm easily pleased - I'll settle for another 12 brownlow votes in a row ... and 3 best on grounds in successive finals and the Norm Smith.

[rodgerfox]

Hang on a sec....WTF has he done all year??! Kosi apologists give me the absolute sh*ts!

Kosi plays a role.

The first sign, under Ross Lyon, that you are doing exactly what he wants you to do - is to continue getting a game. He's doing what's being asked of him.



Saints supporters are so out of touch with what the team is actually doing these days.

[samoht]

Kosi plays a role.

The first sign, under Ross Lyon, that you are doing exactly what he wants you to do - is to continue getting a game. He's doing what's being asked of him.



Saints supporters are so out of touch with what the team is actually doing these days.

His role is now to cause spillages ? - I see that as a role reversal from his 4 best on ground in a row performance/role when his role was to take marks and kick goals.

[rodgerfox]

Kosi plays a role.

The first sign, under Ross Lyon, that you are doing exactly what he wants you to do - is to continue getting a game. He's doing what's being asked of him.



Saints supporters are so out of touch with what the team is actually doing these days.

His role is now to cause spillages ? - I see that as a role reversal from his 4 best on ground in a row performance/role when his role was to take marks and kick goals.

The club is very secretive about what each players' role actually is - but yes, I'd assume his role is to make contests and bring the ball to ground (among other things).

I think this is why there is the outrage about his performance. Because as you say, in many's view it's not exactly the ideal way to utilise what many see as a very talented footballer.

The question also is, does Kosi think it's a good way to utilise his ability? His body language certainly doesn't suggest he does.

Luke Ball obviously didn't want to accept the role he was given, I wonder if Kosi will persevere.


When Kosi was out, Pattison came in and played a role. When watching that game, I couldn't help but notice the similarities between what he was doing, and what Kosi does.
It seems obvious, that Pattison wasn't reaplcing Kosi as such, but was filling the role that Kosi plays.

Pattison was selected the following week, even though his game to the average footy follower, appeared pretty shiit.

[clarky449]

Kosi at his best is the best - we all agree with that.

Enough discussion and articles written - I'd consider Lyon a great coach if he can now get the best out of him for the finals - if Kosi fires we will win the GF - he will make the difference.

No more talk - ACTION

Kosi at his best is not the best.

I guess I'm easily pleased - I'll settle for another 12 brownlow votes in a row ... and 3 best on grounds in successive finals and the Norm Smith.

I like the sound of that.

[bobmurray]

Hang on a sec....WTF has he done all year??! Kosi apologists give me the absolute sh*ts!

I now have to agree with you....

I think it's only Saints supporters who expect him to suddenly transform himself into an elite player....

I don't know why he struggles week in,week out...

just makes me think he's not up to it.....

Ross knows better, so i'll watch and wait for the turnaround...

[saintsRrising]

Sandy played Sunday...Saints play Friday.

Ben and King both have minor injuries....if one believes our injury list.

Therefore minimal changes.

Dal in for one out. Will not be Kosi.

Besides the Hawks lack good tall defenders......

[Bernard Shakey]

Kosi plays a role.

I'd rather a footballer than an actor any day. Kosi aint either.

[Thinline]

Kosi plays a role.

I'd rather a footballer than an actor any day. Kosi aint either.

Ross gave him a public lifeline by 'blaming' three weeks out with the ankle and the wet against Geelong...One way or another I'm strongly tipping this is his last week of so-so... Ross has used up all the excuses now...Fingers crossed.

[rodgerfox]

Kosi plays a role.

I'd rather a footballer than an actor any day.

I think alot of people would - but that's not what the Saints team is built. It's certainly a decent discussion, but my take on it is that results are what count.

We've been winning, made a GF and look set to make the top 4. So really, it's hard to argue againts the system.

However if we don't win the flag this year, then certainly the debate will flair again.

[vacuous space]

I have a lot more conifdence in Adam Pattison than I do in Kosi right now. While my confidence in Patto is at an all-time high, that's not saying a lot.

If Kosi has played a crucial role in wins, I'd like to see some evidence of it rather than just pointing out that we've been winning, so therefore Kosi must be awesome. The same logic suggests that after getting thumped by Collingwood, we should be dumping half the team.

If all we want is a big lumbering hulk to crash a pack and bring the ball to ground, then I'd suggest our forward setup lacks some imagination. I'd like to know just how many packs Kosi has crashed and how many scoring chances have been generated, because it doesn't seem to be a lot. He spends large stretches of the game as the invisible man.

I think we're still selecting Kosi in the hopes he'll find some form before finals and all this other stuff is just an excuse. I don't believe they see him as a role player at all. Right now he appears much more of an obstacle to team success.

[Dr Spaceman]

A lot of interesting points of view amongst that lot.

It goes without saying that everyone's entitled to their own views.

Mine is this. As long as he's on our list and in our team I will continue to support him.

If that makes me naive, or guilty of wearing rose coloured glasses, then so be it.

I'm keeping the faith.

[SainterK]

I have a lot more conifdence in Adam Pattison than I do in Kosi right now. While my confidence in Patto is at an all-time high, that's not saying a lot.

If Kosi has played a crucial role in wins, I'd like to see some evidence of it rather than just pointing out that we've been winning, so therefore Kosi must be awesome. The same logic suggests that after getting thumped by Collingwood, we should be dumping half the team.

If all we want is a big lumbering hulk to crash a pack and bring the ball to ground, then I'd suggest our forward setup lacks some imagination. I'd like to know just how many packs Kosi has crashed and how many scoring chances have been generated, because it doesn't seem to be a lot. He spends large stretches of the game as the invisible man.

I think we're still selecting Kosi in the hopes he'll find some form before finals and all this other stuff is just an excuse. I don't believe they see him as a role player at all. Right now he appears much more of an obstacle to team success.

Actually, I did some stats on it last year.

While nothing particularly concrete, the more we kicked it to Kosi as our target inside 50, the more combined goals Milne Schneider and Mini happened to kick. The more we kicked it to Roo, the less impact our small forwards had on the game.

Coincidence, I tend not to think so, but each can make up their own mind.

The stats are pretty telling from the weekend, we went inside 50 over 40 times, yet I am not entirely sure who it was being kicked to?

Usually you can look at who were our inside 50 targets and pretty much marry it up with the amount of inside 50's give or take a couple that are sometimes mids running inside 50 or similar.

The inside 50 target stats indicated we went to Roo 6 times, Kosi 4 times, Schneider twice, Pattison twice, and Milne once....not sure who else had the numbers, perhaps it went in there with no real purpose?

Our forward line has had some pretty dramatic changes this year, after adjusting to life without Roo, it now is learning to accomodate him again.

I can see it improving on the weekend.

[vacuous space]

As long as he's on our list and in our team I will continue to support him.

I think the vast majority will. Not many people here actually take pleasure in seeing Saints going poorly. There are always an assortment of twits scattered around the ground who take joy in everything Kosi does wrong, as they do with Clarke, Dawson and others. They're just a very vocal minority.

Most people here may say nasty things about him and his abilities, but we all want him to do well - I'm just not sure that a team fighting for positioning in the top four should be carrying an underperforming tall. There may be better options. Kosi may actually benefit from getting out from under the spotlight for a week or two.

[Dr Spaceman]

As long as he's on our list and in our team I will continue to support him.

I think the vast majority will. Not many people here actually take pleasure in seeing Saints going poorly. There are always an assortment of twits scattered around the ground who take joy in everything Kosi does wrong, as they do with Clarke, Dawson and others. They're just a very vocal minority.

Most people here may say nasty things about him and his abilities, but we all want him to do well - I'm just not sure that a team fighting for positioning in the top four should be carrying an underperforming tall. There may be better options. Kosi may actually benefit from getting out from under the spotlight for a week or two.

Fair enough vs, but I think most, if not all, posters agree that this fella Ross Lyon is doing a pretty fair job.

And I really don't think he's going to be pig-headed and continue to play Kosi if he thinks that's going to jeopardise our chances of a flag. Ross may not have followed the Saints for 10. 20. 30 years or whatever, but Grand Final success with this team is just as important to him as it is to us.

So on the basis that RL is a smart guy, and that he desperately wants to win, I'm prepared to back his decision to keep playing Kosi, even if our eyes suggest he's not performing.

And I have total faith in Ross dropping Kosi at some stage, if he believes such a move is crucial to our success.

[mbogo]

I also see Kossie having a role to play - and I have not seen him beaten regularly in marking contests - one on one - and if he does bring it to ground then it is clear the options are there around him.
Roo has yet to fit back into the structure (but that is obvious) - this week is a bigger test for all.
I wonder how many will tip us - not many I reckon - but this means nothing!

[bergholt]

Most people here may say nasty things about him and his abilities, but we all want him to do well...

honestly, i don't care if kosi specifically does well. i just care if the team wins flags. i don't really care which players are out on the field when that happens.

if ross thinks that he can play kosi back into form and get him to the point where he's on the field when we win a flag then he should definitely persist. but if it doesn't work (again) then at some point he has to expect scrutiny of that decision.

[backit]

An article in defence of Kosi by Greg Denham in todays Australian.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sp ... 5895296489

[St. Luke]

Kosi plays a role.

The first sign, under Ross Lyon, that you are doing exactly what he wants you to do - is to continue getting a game. He's doing what's being asked of him.



Saints supporters are so out of touch with what the team is actually doing these days.

His role is now to cause spillages ? - I see that as a role reversal from his 4 best on ground in a row performance/role when his role was to take marks and kick goals.

Yes, I'd sooner see Kosi take a few marks...and, kick a few goals Here's to hoping he does both this week!